On 2023-07-13 18:38, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Ok, Thanks!! I have an HP laptop running Win 10 Pro that I use to
make
videos. It has 8GB of ram and an m.2. It is about 6 years old. It
is
> using 41% of RAM... Yikes!!
I really have to wonder how the browsers work like that with so little
ram, they will tend to use as much or as little as you have, and
aren't shy about having their way with pagefiles if not.
I say this as with 128gb of ram, under linux (any) it's not uncommon
to see firefox and worse chrome when I'm busy with multiple customers
and browser profiles using 30-40gb of said ram. I use a lot of
windows/tabs, I run for weeks or months between session restarts, and
various research professional or otherwise, I'll open dozens of tabs
on each easily. To hear people use 4-8gb seems crazy to me. My
system lets me know, and used to with *only* 64gb that "hey arsehole,
you need to upgrade!" with OOM's.
You are on the extreme. On my laptop I may have one browser open with 2
- 4 tabs max. Add to that video edition software.
My wife uses one browser and I am not sure she knows about tabs.. maybe,
if so she might have 2 to 4 tabs open at any given time.
My wife could get by with a netbook.
Never hurts to earn some points. Maybe a special dessert for your
consideration.
I get it....
Next go around I'm going to build anything I need except laptops.
Before 2005 I built everything.
Best desktop-ish I've had for a while now is a factory-built Dell
Precision T7910, dual xeon cpu, 128gb of ram, super silent, I use it
for proxmox now vs actual desktop, but used to.
I like Proxmox and think it would be cool to configure it like you are.
Not sure I'd build my
own vs. buy good bones and augment like I did this with good
ram/disks. I've long used Dell Latitude, XPS, Precision, and as long
as you get good models, they're tight and work forever. Get the cheap
Inspirons or others, you get what you pay for.
I'll bet your laptop cost a few grand.
If you want a laptop to "build" (or enhance), look at Framework, their
13" and soon 16" are pretty sweet, built to be serviceable/upgradable,
and will probably be my next purchase once the 16" is out. My Lenovo
Thinkpad is pretty good hardware at the core, but things like their
TB4 dock and even their jank website annoy the hell out of me. It
doesn't even work in firefox under linux.
I figure I will not upgrade for several more years. I think things will
change a lot. When I upgrade I want something(s) with lots of
cores/threads and lots of RAM so I can have lots of options like Proxmox
running multiple different things all at once.
I'm interested in the Rasberry PI also... would be interesting to build
a home web server on multiple PIs.
Keith
-mb
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 1:19 PM <techli...@phpcoderusa.com> wrote:
On 2023-07-13 10:03, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Well that's about what I was expecting you'd see...
First, start with getting her more memory, I'm amazed it'll even
run
and start a browser with only 4gb of ram. Firefox/Chrome alone
uses a
good 8-20gb of ram at a time for my normal usage, anything else
will
just sit in swap/pagefile (which is why your disks are running
overtime).
Ok, Thanks!! I have an HP laptop running Win 10 Pro that I use to
make
videos. It has 8GB of ram and an m.2. It is about 6 years old. It
is
using 41% of RAM... Yikes!!
I'd say no less than 16gb for any reasonable modern use,
---
or if her I'd divorce you for less.
Funny!!
Second, get rid of the spinner disk, or at least move it to a role
as
a secondary drive for storage. Putting the OS on any SSD will
make it
feel like lightning comparatively. If you can, put an m.2
directly in
a pci-e slot with a slot adapter, that'll be your fastest choice,
or
any sata-based SSD as a fallback.
Between ram and new ssd, it should rip even with an older
processor.
Does not need to be fire breathing. Seems quickest fix would be to
upgrade to 8GB of RAM based off of my HP's performance.
My wife could get by with a netbook.
You can probably reinstall the dell image clean downloading it
from
dell and keep using the oem key (they're baked into the hardware),
but
they're usually riddled with crapware and demos.. You're better
off
getting a clean win10 build for $7 bucks from gkeys.
I do not like all the add-ons they provide either!!
Next go around I'm going to build anything I need except laptops.
Before 2005 I built everything.
Thank you for all your help!!
-mb
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 9:38 AM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Thank you to all who replied.
I spent over an hour on trying to figure this out.
I opened the Event Viewer and discovered the system was using 94%
of
memory and 100% of the disk in idle mode.
This computer is running Windows 10 pro with 4GB of ram and and 4
cores
and 4 threads. Is has a rust spinner.
This is my wife's computer and she uses it for limited email,
some
google searching, and mostly to watch YouTube. This computer
gets
used
very little.
It has been slow from the beginning.
One of the issues was once the computer went into sleep mode it
would
take forever to wake up so I turned off sleep mode.
What I found was hundreds of things running in the background.
Not
sure
why and it was unclear what was the memory hog.
I was puzzled what was going on with the HD. Disk properties
showed
825GB of 915GB free. I tried to scan and it said the disk had
issues.
So I let it troubleshoot and it fixed it in about 10 minutes. It
did
not
report what the actual issue was.
I monkeyed with the background processes and got the memory usage
down
to 86%.
I know next to nothing about managing windows so I do not want to
monkey
with it much more.
At this point I am thinking of creating a reinstall disk or USB
and
while I'm at it instating a SSD. Newegg has some really good
deals
on
SSD.
Since this is a Dell computer I suspect the Win install will not
complain about the different HD.
Will an OEM install require a key?
Any thoughts are most welcome.
Keith
On 2023-07-07 17:06, Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Thank you so much!! Might be a couple days before I can work on
it
again. I'll let you know how things go.
On 2023-07-07 15:40, Michael Butash via PLUG-discuss wrote:
Task manager and/or Resource Manager should show you where your
bottlenecks lie, but sounds like either disk (spinner vs ssd),
memory,
or cpu is getting pegged. This should show you what processes
are
using said cpu/memory/io, either kill them, or feed them more
hardware
resources. The sysinternals tools like process explorer and
such
are
also helpful in seeing applications and/or system processes
freaking
out, including more hidden ones.
If still a spinner disk, the best thing you could do is get her
any
SSD to run the OS and primary apps on alone.
Could be windoze is just trashed after a while with
applications
coming and going, upgrading, breaking stuff, etc. Might be
worth
trying a clean restore of the system and/or wiping the disks
with
zero's to reset state ala fragmentation or if ssd, needing a
reset
with secure erase.
-mb
On Fri, Jul 7, 2023 at 2:29 PM Keith Smith via PLUG-discuss
<plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
Hi,
This is mostly off topic given this is a Linux List.
I have two separate work areas in my house. I have my home
office
which
is doing well. I am using my Linux Ubuntu desktop to send
this
email.
My Linux machine is hardwired. This is my main box. I also
have a
Win
10 Pro laptop that I use to make and edit YouTube videos. My
editing
software only works on Win and MAC. This laptop is connected
via
WIFI.
No Problems. The O/S loads reasonably fast. My video editing
software
loads reasonably fast and the rendering process takes a bit
but
not
too
bad. This is a 6 year old HP - nothing fancy and it works.
My wife's office in another spare bedroom and she has a Dell
mini-tower
Win 10 ... I want to say pro as well.
Here is where I need help. My wife's dell is very slow and has
trouble
with loading Firefox and it takes a while to load YouTube
videos.
Even
windows takes a while to load which make me think it is a
local
problem
(the Dell box).
I am reaching out because I do not know how to troubleshoot
this
issue.
Any help much appreciated.
Keith
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