I'm pretty certain that anyone directly involved with that was prosecuted in 
some way, including developers that knowingly helped.

On Thu, Apr 25, 2024, at 2:47 PM, greg zegan via PLUG-discuss wrote:
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> Has anyone worked in foreign country like Germany as a developer or IT 
> personal?
> I wonder how they treat workers and the quality usually is pretty good for 
> the end product.
> They were so good they were able to fix the computer system for the VWs to 
> not work during emissions tests so they could pass easily.
> Volkswagen emissions scandal - Wikipedia 
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal>
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> Volkswagen emissions scandal - Wikipedia
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> The Volkswagen emissions scandal, sometimes known as Dieselgate[23][24] or 
> Emissionsgate,[25][24] began in Septe...
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> On Thursday, April 25, 2024 at 02:43:46 PM MST, David Schwartz via 
> PLUG-discuss <plug-discuss@lists.phxlinux.org> wrote:
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> I’ve worked at plenty of places that are more like what you’re saying about 
> FB, but they weren’t working on ISO 900x and CMMI certifications.
> 
> I was simply reflecting on the fact that we’ve got a lot of national 
> Headquarters for companies here in the Phoenix area that ARE working on these 
> certifications, and this has a certain depressing effect on wages when their 
> goal is to make people in the same roles interchangeable. That’s what these 
> efforts are all about — minimizing risk and reducing costs.
> 
> They’re turning programming into a far less creative endeavor. That requires 
> a more mechanized approach and less variability among workers.
> 
> Maintenance programmers are simply required to take a bug ticket submitted 
> with a documented way to reproduce the error and fix it without altering any 
> other code.
> 
> -David Schwartz
> 
>> On Apr 25, 2024, at 1:51 PM, Ryan Petris <r...@petris.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I can't say I've worked anywhere as strict as that, however I'll say that 
>> like any other career field, there are good and bad work places. Places that 
>> like to overly restrict things are going to lose good developers, and likely 
>> don't pay well to begin with.
>> 
>> I worked for Meta/Facebook for a year before I got laid off last year, and 
>> I'll say that it was very much not like this. While you had regular projects 
>> and whatnot going on, you were free to make changes you thought were 
>> necessary or good changes to make. Now I didn't work on anything public 
>> facing, as I'm certain there are certain controls on making changes to what 
>> users can see, but otherwise any change just required approval from any 
>> other developer, and it would make it into production 6 hours or so later.
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