Also i have been liking the fee live office apps that have been partnered with skydrive. It might be woth looking at also. On Aug 9, 2012 9:02 AM, "Michael Butash" <mich...@butash.net> wrote:
> Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a > 64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run > decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps). > Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient > still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable. > > I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs a > win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's "seamless" mode, and > you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux. I really wish they > didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and M$ > side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my windoze-app > sans windoze necessity. > > Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces > and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from exposure > for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual browsing or > anything to avoid drive-by infections. It manages to keep it from being > perpetually infected like most other users I see without the necessity of > av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze. > > Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps > over the years. > > Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something like > this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps now I've > been meaning to try. I had tried on my phone, but their stupid client > simply fails to work on my android - ymmv. I might actually pay to save > from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use visio, > assuming Onlive fixes their damn client... > > -mb > > > On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote: > >> It will run on 1 but 2 is better. >> >> And 2 cores are best vs 1 >> >> On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, "Michael Havens" <bmi...@gmail.com >> <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote: >> >> virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum >> memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7) >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash <mich...@butash.net >> <mailto:mich...@butash.net>> wrote: >> >> Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with >> customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or >> xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works >> sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes >> openoffice. Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats, >> as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's >> continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose >> (can't blame them either). Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most >> people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to >> every few years to stay "compatible" with their own poop. >> >> I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times, >> generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for >> clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have* >> to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03 >> compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found >> finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows >> significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred. ;) >> >> Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly >> incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice, >> so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to >> windoze users. >> >> Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft. >> >> -mb >> >> >> >> On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote: >> >> Its cool.... I was surprised they specified an OS as well. >> but the >> university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me. >> This is what >> they said (in part): >> >> Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle. >> Open Office for >> Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We >> also have >> Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use >> those online >> apps. >> >> As long as you can view the following types of files you >> should be able >> to access most anything in the courses: >> >> * Video >> o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf), >> * Word Processing >> o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for .docx) >> * PowerPoint >> o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for .pptx) >> * PDF >> * Excel >> o occasionally .xlst, .xls >> * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices, >> you are >> >> welcome to try others) >> >> As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared >> specifically to >> a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you >> want to take >> that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows >> based >> interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get >> you into the >> section (different instructors) where you will not be >> required to use MS >> Office. >> SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree! >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong >> <harold.w...@microsoft.com <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.** >> com <harold.w...@microsoft.com>> >> <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**__com >> <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**com<harold.w...@microsoft.com>>>> >> wrote: >> >> I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you >> to run a >> specific OS. With that said, if you really need >> Windows 7 for >> school and want to continue to use Linux as your main >> OS, I would >> recommend virtualizing it as that would be much >> simpler.____ >> >> __ __ >> >> >> Harold Wong >> Chief Technical Evangelist – Private Cloud | US >> Developer & Platform >> Evangelism - West Region >> Office: (425) 706-3501 <tel:%28425%29%20706-3501> >> <tel:%28425%29%20706-3501> | Blog: >> blogs.technet.com/haroldwong >> >> <http://blogs.technet.com/**haroldwong<http://blogs.technet.com/haroldwong> >> > >> >> <http://blogs.technet.com/__**haroldwong<http://blogs.technet.com/__haroldwong> >> >> <http://blogs.technet.com/**haroldwong<http://blogs.technet.com/haroldwong> >> >> >> >> MCITP Server Administrator | MCITP Enterprise >> Administrator | MCITP >> Enterprise Messaging Administrator 2007 / 2010 | VCP5____ >> >> __ __ >> >> >> *From:*plug-discuss-bounces@__**lists.plug.phoenix.az.us<http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >> >> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@**lists.plug.phoenix.az.us<plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >> > >> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@_**_lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> >> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@**lists.plug.phoenix.az.us<plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >> >> >> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@_**_ >> lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> >> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@**lists.plug.phoenix.az.us<plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >> > >> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@_**_lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >> >> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@**lists.plug.phoenix.az.us<plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>>>] >> *On >> Behalf >> Of *Adam McCullough >> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:03 AM >> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list >> *Subject:* Re: ot Online school____ >> >> __ __ >> >> >> Not to be fatalistic, but you're probably going to have >> a hard time >> finding a university that isn't very MS-happy.____ >> >> __ __ >> >> >> Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at >> best. I'm >> pretty sure Windows protects against that. >> Licensing/piracy reasons.____ >> >> >> On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens >> <bmi...@gmail.com <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>>> >> wrote:____ >> >> >> they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for >> a University >> now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that >> isn't so in >> bed with MS. UMN is not in bed with em.____ >> >> >> or else.... coulde I out it on an external HD? >> :-)~MIKE~(-:____ >> >> >> >> ____ >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen >> <cryptwo...@gmail.com <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>>** >> > >> wrote:____ >> >> >> the pert i left out is if you install windows to the >> drive that has >> Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make >> space it will >> overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and >> reconfigure it. >> alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox.____ >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen >> <cryptwo...@gmail.com <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>>** >> > >> wrote: >> > well personally if you can just install to a new drive >> then you can >> > have it pristine and configure grub... >> > >> > >> > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Havens >> <bmi...@gmail.com <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >> >> I need to put 7 back on my computer for school. How do >> you do >> it w/o >> >> blowing everything else away (ie on another partition). >> I also >> need to >> >> repartition. How big does it need to be for 7? >> >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >> >> >> >> ------------------------------**__--------------------- >> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >> plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoe**nix.az.us<http://phoenix.az.us> >> >> <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.**plug.phoenix.az.us<PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >> > >> >> <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.__p**lug.phoenix.az.us<http://plug.phoenix.az.us> >> >> <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.**plug.phoenix.az.us<PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >> >> >> >> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >> settings: >> >> >> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az._**_us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__* >> *discuss >> <http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-** >> discuss <http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss>> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will >> prevent you >> from >> > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the >> snooze button. >> > >> > Stephen >> >> >> >> -- >> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will >> prevent you from >> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the >> snooze button. >> >> Stephen >> ------------------------------**__--------------------- >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - 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