that won't work. need windows. :-)~MIKE~(-:
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 9:21 PM, Michael Havens <bmi...@gmail.com> wrote: > I'll look at sky drive. > :-)~MIKE~(-: > > > > On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 10:21 AM, Stephen <cryptwo...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Also i have been liking the fee live office apps that have been partnered >> with skydrive. It might be woth looking at also. >> On Aug 9, 2012 9:02 AM, "Michael Butash" <mich...@butash.net> wrote: >> >>> Win7 was a pig for me, wanted 20g or so just to install (not cool on a >>> 64gb ssd vs. 8gb for xp with os, apps, fully loaded), and 2gb ram to run >>> decently (4gb if i wanted to power-use a lot of visio and other apps). >>> Overall for as little as I do with windoze, xp is more than sufficient >>> still as a compatibility layer to export their garbage to something usable. >>> >>> I found at a client of mine that used citrix xenapp, it's literally runs >>> a win vm, exports the app over the network ala vbox's "seamless" mode, and >>> you end up with a windoze-y app window inside linux. I really wish they >>> didn't license the living hell out of xenapp on both the citrix and M$ >>> side, as it would make for a nice solution at home too for my windoze-app >>> sans windoze necessity. >>> >>> Word of warning, I keep my windows instance hidden on a nat interfaces >>> and/or behind a firewall bridged at all times to protect it from exposure >>> for lack of patching and such, and never use it for actual browsing or >>> anything to avoid drive-by infections. It manages to keep it from being >>> perpetually infected like most other users I see without the necessity of >>> av, malware, and other chastity belts for windoze. >>> >>> Yes I know about wine, but it's proven useless for any complex M$ apps >>> over the years. >>> >>> Side-note, Onlive (gaming remote render/export client) does something >>> like this now, exporting a limited free win7 desktop with office apps now >>> I've been meaning to try. I had tried on my phone, but their stupid client >>> simply fails to work on my android - ymmv. I might actually pay to save >>> from having to keep a win vm just to convert things and/or use visio, >>> assuming Onlive fixes their damn client... >>> >>> -mb >>> >>> >>> On 08/09/2012 05:35 AM, Stephen wrote: >>> >>>> It will run on 1 but 2 is better. >>>> >>>> And 2 cores are best vs 1 >>>> >>>> On Aug 9, 2012 12:11 AM, "Michael Havens" <bmi...@gmail.com >>>> <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> virtual machine! why didn't I think of that. What are the minimum >>>> memory requirements for 7. (I don't have XP but I do have 7) >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 3:35 PM, Michael Butash <mich...@butash.net >>>> <mailto:mich...@butash.net>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Just FYI, consulting and being aatround random shops with >>>> customer and vendor docs, I find a lot of the .pptx, docx, or >>>> xlsx files are spotty at best what works under linux, what works >>>> sanely (complex forumlas==poop), and what just crashes >>>> openoffice. Libreoffice is almost useless with the new formats, >>>> as the dev's don't feel they need to support microsoft's >>>> continued forced incompatibility with everyone else on purpose >>>> (can't blame them either). Obviously M$ doesn't care, as most >>>> people just keep buying office when microsoft tells them to >>>> every few years to stay "compatible" with their own poop. >>>> >>>> I keep an xp vm in virtualbox for this reason at all times, >>>> generally with real office (well, as real as usenet gets for >>>> clean slipstream install images), just to make sure if I *have* >>>> to resort to exporting from it to something I can use (2000-03 >>>> compat office formats). Seamless mode under linux i found >>>> finally works decently, reduces the sting of using windows >>>> significantly and hides it to keep my linux desktop cred. ;) >>>> >>>> Likewise creating complex formatted docs are horribly >>>> incompatible usually under real m$office from libre/openoffice, >>>> so export as pdf is your friend when passing back and forth to >>>> windoze users. >>>> >>>> Really sucks it has to be this way - thanks microsoft. >>>> >>>> -mb >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 08/08/2012 11:28 AM, Michael Havens wrote: >>>> >>>> Its cool.... I was surprised they specified an OS as well. >>>> but the >>>> university of Minnesota seems more willing to work with me. >>>> This is what >>>> they said (in part): >>>> >>>> Firefox or Chrome for Linux should work fine for Moodle. >>>> Open Office for >>>> Linux saves as Word and in other MS compatible formats. We >>>> also have >>>> Google Docs as a University implementation so you can use >>>> those online >>>> apps. >>>> >>>> As long as you can view the following types of files you >>>> should be able >>>> to access most anything in the courses: >>>> >>>> * Video >>>> o .mp4, .wmv, Flash (flv or swf), >>>> * Word Processing >>>> o .docx, .doc (may require a document viewer for >>>> .docx) >>>> * PowerPoint >>>> o .pptx, .ppt (may require a document viewer for >>>> .pptx) >>>> * PDF >>>> * Excel >>>> o occasionally .xlst, .xls >>>> * Web browser (Chrome or Firefox may be the best choices, >>>> you are >>>> >>>> welcome to try others) >>>> >>>> As Mark mentions, the only course we have that is geared >>>> specifically to >>>> a Microsoft product is Spreadsheets (CA 1020) but if you >>>> want to take >>>> that course and can accomplish the tasks without the Windows >>>> based >>>> interface tutorials and save the files as .xls, we'll get >>>> you into the >>>> section (different instructors) where you will not be >>>> required to use MS >>>> Office. >>>> SO I think I'll be paying them for my degree! >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Harold Wong >>>> <harold.w...@microsoft.com <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.** >>>> com <harold.w...@microsoft.com>> >>>> <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**__com >>>> >>>> <mailto:Harold.Wong@microsoft.**com<harold.w...@microsoft.com>>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I’m surprised that the online school is requiring you >>>> to run a >>>> specific OS. With that said, if you really need >>>> Windows 7 for >>>> school and want to continue to use Linux as your main >>>> OS, I would >>>> recommend virtualizing it as that would be much >>>> simpler.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> >>>> Harold Wong >>>> Chief Technical Evangelist – Private Cloud | US >>>> Developer & Platform >>>> Evangelism - West Region >>>> Office: (425) 706-3501 <tel:%28425%29%20706-3501> >>>> <tel:%28425%29%20706-3501> | Blog: >>>> blogs.technet.com/haroldwong >>>> >>>> <http://blogs.technet.com/**haroldwong<http://blogs.technet.com/haroldwong> >>>> > >>>> >>>> <http://blogs.technet.com/__**haroldwong<http://blogs.technet.com/__haroldwong> >>>> >>>> <http://blogs.technet.com/**haroldwong<http://blogs.technet.com/haroldwong> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> MCITP Server Administrator | MCITP Enterprise >>>> Administrator | MCITP >>>> Enterprise Messaging Administrator 2007 / 2010 | >>>> VCP5____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> *From:*plug-discuss-bounces@__** >>>> lists.plug.phoenix.az.us <http://lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >>>> >>>> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@**lists.plug.phoenix.az.us<plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >>>> > >>>> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@_**_lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>> >>>> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@**lists.plug.phoenix.az.us<plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >>>> >> >>>> [mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@_**_ >>>> lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>> >>>> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@**lists.plug.phoenix.az.us<plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >>>> > >>>> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@_**_lists.plug.phoenix.az.us >>>> >>>> <mailto:plug-discuss-bounces@**lists.plug.phoenix.az.us<plug-discuss-boun...@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us>>>] >>>> *On >>>> Behalf >>>> Of *Adam McCullough >>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 08, 2012 11:03 AM >>>> *To:* Main PLUG discussion list >>>> *Subject:* Re: ot Online school____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> >>>> Not to be fatalistic, but you're probably going to have >>>> a hard time >>>> finding a university that isn't very MS-happy.____ >>>> >>>> __ __ >>>> >>>> >>>> Installing on an external hard drive is problematic at >>>> best. I'm >>>> pretty sure Windows protects against that. >>>> Licensing/piracy reasons.____ >>>> >>>> >>>> On 8 August 2012 10:56, Michael Havens >>>> <bmi...@gmail.com <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>>> >>>> wrote:____ >>>> >>>> >>>> they want $305/credit hour. Is that the going rate for >>>> a University >>>> now a days? I think I'm going to go with a school that >>>> isn't so in >>>> bed with MS. UMN is not in bed with em.____ >>>> >>>> >>>> or else.... coulde I out it on an external HD? >>>> :-)~MIKE~(-:____ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ____ >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Stephen >>>> <cryptwo...@gmail.com <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> >>>> **> >>>> wrote:____ >>>> >>>> >>>> the pert i left out is if you install windows to the >>>> drive that has >>>> Linux on it. even if you re-size the drives to make >>>> space it will >>>> overwrite grub, and you will need to re-install and >>>> reconfigure it. >>>> alternative install win7 in KVM or virtualbox.____ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:23 AM, Stephen >>>> <cryptwo...@gmail.com <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com <mailto:cryptwo...@gmail.com>> >>>> **> >>>> wrote: >>>> > well personally if you can just install to a new drive >>>> then you can >>>> > have it pristine and configure grub... >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 10:22 AM, Michael Havens >>>> <bmi...@gmail.com <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com> >>>> <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com <mailto:bmi...@gmail.com>>> wrote: >>>> >> I need to put 7 back on my computer for school. How do >>>> you do >>>> it w/o >>>> >> blowing everything else away (ie on another partition). >>>> I also >>>> need to >>>> >> repartition. How big does it need to be for 7? >>>> >> :-)~MIKE~(-: >>>> >> >>>> >> ------------------------------**__--------------------- >>>> >> PLUG-discuss mailing list - >>>> plug-disc...@lists.plug.__phoe**nix.az.us<http://phoenix.az.us> >>>> >>>> <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.**plug.phoenix.az.us<PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >>>> > >>>> >>>> <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.__p**lug.phoenix.az.us<http://plug.phoenix.az.us> >>>> >>>> <mailto:PLUG-discuss@lists.**plug.phoenix.az.us<PLUG-discuss@lists.plug.phoenix.az.us> >>>> >> >>>> >>>> >> To subscribe, unsubscribe, or to change your mail >>>> settings: >>>> >> >>>> http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az._** >>>> _us/mailman/listinfo/plug-__**discuss >>>> <http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.**us/mailman/listinfo/plug-** >>>> discuss <http://lists.PLUG.phoenix.az.us/mailman/listinfo/plug-discuss> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will >>>> prevent you >>>> from >>>> > rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the >>>> snooze button. >>>> > >>>> > Stephen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> A mouse trap, placed on top of your alarm clock, will >>>> prevent you from >>>> rolling over and going back to sleep after you hit the >>>> snooze button. >>>> >>>> Stephen >>>> ------------------------------** >>>> __--------------------- >>>> PLUG-discuss mailing list - 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