What drives me up a wall is seeing houses wired with Romex and it is stapled down to the wood. If you have to pull that sucker out you have to tear the whole wall out to get to it and remove it, I have also seen staples that broke through the insolation enough that especially in warm climates the remaining plastic isolation would migrate, you get a short and either the breaker opens or the short is a hot short but does not pull enough current to toss the breaker but now you have a hot spot or fire... I replaced all of that with conduit and stranded wire, solid wire is another thing that I have never understood I do not believe that I have been in another country where they allowed solid wire, only in our country. When I lived in Costa Rica, solid wire was banned, same went for Mexico, and I do not recall seeing it in the other countries I live in either.
On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 12:24 PM, Erik Lane <erikl...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the biggest benefit to the inspections (for me) is when I move into > a house that I know nothing about. Especially for plumbing and electrical, > I want to know that the work was at least looked at by a third party that > knows their stuff. (Though I guess for roofing and structural it's also > pretty important.) I've seen some CRAZY stuff out there, and anything > hidden inside a wall will likely stay that way until it comes out to bite > you. No way to inspect for that when you're buying a house... > > Yes, when I'm doing my own work and know it's good it's a hassle to bother > with the permit and inspections, but in that case I think of it mainly as > protecting people down the road. (They have no way of knowing that I do > quality work, except that it passed inspection.) > > I like that idea of having lighting on its own panel and so many separate > circuits for different things in preparation for solar. It would sure give > you fine-grained control! Never going to happen at this house, though. > Reworking everything and tearing it apart just doesn't make sense unless I > was going to get into all the walls anyway, and of course I'm not planning > to. (Knock on wood. :) ) > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ > source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ > source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 9:36 AM, Chuck Hast <wch...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Exactly, most of my electrical work has been industrial, one receptacle > per > > breaker type work. When I went in to redo the home in Tampa, I found as > > many as 6 receptacles per breaker, needless to say I fixed that because > of > > the same issue, wife can always find the receptacle that has a big load > on > > it and plug something else in and toss the breaker. So when I rewired it > I > > put > > one receptacle/breaker. 12Ga wire and 20 amp service to all of them, used > > industrial grade receptacles (20amp) so had no issues with her doing her > > thing on ONE but each had its own breaker. The lighting I put on a > separate > > panel as I was planning on that being the first part to go solar. I had > > moved > > to all CFL and was starting to move to LED. I had the power consumption > > for lighting down to 400 watts with both all inside and outside (had some > > 150W > > CFLs) normal operations, I would see between 25 and 50W of pull with a > > normal set of lights on in the home at any given time. Most of the time > it > > was > > at or below the 25W level. > > > > On Thu, Apr 6, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Dick Steffens <d...@dicksteffens.com> > > wrote: > > > > > On 04/06/2017 07:56 AM, Chuck Hast wrote: > > > > Yea, I keep on forgetting that for a lot of things out here you need > a > > > > permit. The > > > > one thing I miss about FL. I replaced all of the wiring in one house > > had > > > a > > > > good > > > > electrician friend come over took a look at it said it was ABOVE spec > > and > > > > gave > > > > it his blessing. I understand when it is a commercial job or > something > > > like > > > > a res- > > > > idential rewire ( I was getting my place ready to add solar panels > and > > > > separate > > > > the low power consumption parts from the high power consumers) but > even > > > > then to demand a permit for everything is just way beyond what I see > as > > > > good. > > > > > > > > Bureaucracy run wild. > > > > > > There's a good side to the permit/inspection bureaucracy, as well as > the > > > annoying side. It's an insurance plus to have had a permit/inspection > if > > > something goes wrong down the road. On the other hand, I know that some > > > things that are "to code" aren't as good as what I want. And while what > > > I want isn't against the code, it's also not what a typical electrician > > > would do. Back in the '90s my wife and I volunteered with Habitat for > > > Humanity on a project in Aloha. A retired Westinghouse electrical > > > engineer (power) was the site supervisor, and an electrician who was a > > > member of the sponsoring church consulted. After a little instruction > on > > > things I had never done (heavy cable and the use of the grease on the > > > connection fittings) we wired 10 houses from the meter base on the side > > > of the house in. The engineer and I designed the wiring so that there > > > were two different 20 amp circuits in each of the four bedrooms. (Not > > > that there were just the two outlets in that room were the only outlets > > > on one circuit. The same two circuits served two rooms.) This was done > > > because the typical family had six or more members, (Mom, Dad, and four > > > kids) and one bathroom. So there could be up to four or five hair > driers > > > running in the morning. Anyway, Habitat had an electrical contractor > > > wire another one of the houses. The electricians didn't follow our > plan, > > > but did their typical run. That put too many outlets on one circuit for > > > the need. It was to code, but not what was needed. So, yes. A good idea > > > to make sure the wiring meets code, but being able to do it yourself so > > > you get what you want is a major benefit. > > > > > > -- > > > Regards, > > > > > > Dick Steffens > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > PLUG mailing list > > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > > Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. > > The only container material that the USDA gives blanket approval on. > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@lists.pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- Glass, five thousand years of history and getting better. 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