Thanks Rick,
Actually, I am already aware of this :) But then there are multiple fora for 
Linux newbies all over the place. So why bother with PLUG at all? 

The answer to that rhetorical question being, that geography still makes 
sense for most of us with common concerns. Apparently, the vast majority of 
the Philippine Linux Newbie subscribers are concerned with server and 
developer issues. This is a good thing. Sorting through the multitude of 
postings on developer/server issues and reading the occasional general 
interest posting is ok with me. 

I do have the occasional admin type issue that I would like to see answered. 
In fact I did assist, and was thanked a couple of times on Linux to Mac 
connectivity problems. 

But...I use my Linux Box mostly for fun and have a personal interest in 
making it as user-friendly as possible.

The pointy-clicky set who inhabit the Philippines who want to use Linux in a 
pointy-clicky manner, who are/were Windoze or Mac users used to a pointy-
clicky way of doing general things, have no forum to address their needs. 
These people are generally CLI averse and would like to use an OS in a 
similar manner to the way they use Windows or Mac OSX, without having to 
cheat on the license.

On the mailing list vs web forum issue, I suppose its a matter of whether one 
knows how to configure a POP3 mail client or not. I have a friend who I was 
advising on how to migrate to a POP3 service and Outlook Express (Ok this is 
windoze) instead of Yahoo. Her first objection "why should I do this when I 
can just use regular (Web based) mail?" So I guess it boils down to 
preferring whatever it is you learned first. (By the way, she is now happily 
using Outlook as a POP3 client.)

I'm glad many people are taking time to comment on this. Again I must ask the 
question: 

Are there any subscribers to the philmug-newbie list who would prefer a new 
forum that tackles non sysadmin/developer concerns but looks at the 
Philippine Linux Scene more from a General User perspective? 

Ricky Munoz


Rick Moen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> Quoting Pablo Manalastas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> > A paradign that makes sense to a Windows user turned Linux user
> > does not necessarily make sense to everyone.
> 
> You know, I was just thinking further about this "PLUG should set up a
> desktop-user mailing list" business.  If one has decided to appeal to
> the pointy-clicky set, wouldn't one establish a Web forum, rather than a
> mailing list?  Aren't we forever being told that "desktop" users prefer
> Web "bulletin boards" as being "friendlier"?
> 
> So, if you bother to search the Web for such things, you will find that
> there already are dozens upon dozens of such forums.  One of them is
> called -- surprise! -- http://www.desktoplinux.com/ .  If you look in
> the Web forum called Applications, you'll find that I've answered a
> bunch of questions, there.
> 
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