Orlando Andico <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Sun, 4 Jul 2004, Andy Sy wrote: > .. >> Correct. Who would've thought the day would come huh? Pretty shocking, >> actually. MS have clearly taken the Linux threat seriously and >> responded admirably. Windows users have Linux to thank for the >> improvements in their OS, no two ways about it imo. > > Actually it's great. People out there deriding Windows and pushing Linux > with the avidity of zealots probably don't know how *good* Microsoft > products have become, in general. >
Probably. But not always. *good* M$ apps? I hear only 'cmd', 'notepad', 'telnet', 'ping', 'ftp' and the rest of basic utils make the cut. Whilst its true that WinXP, IE and Outlook have definitely improved due to the 'threat', they're still a long way to go before they get my confidence. I've grown up from several Windows kiosk LANs, and even up to now most of those still end up installing and reinstalling... and as for server env? Who gives a thought about it, especially with the new vulnerabilities cropping up in IIS? Its not really hard to see the *real* situation: that windoze and the rest of those proprietary apps *are* the real threat to free software, Linux included. While you guys may argue about compromise, there's one thing you have to put in mind as you use free software: that *YOU* are responsible for keeping free software _free_. You may not think about that in the short term, but when you do (and I hope you're not too old by then) don't regret it. Kudos to M$, btw, for making your apps such beautiful Grendels. > It's easy to trash what you don't know or don't care to learn. > > That said, M$ is still crap-full of explots and bugs, but these are > generally client-side issues (dumbing down everything to make things > easy.. makes things insecure). > On this I agree. Just drop by your local Internet cafe for an example. Of course, if it ain't complaints about popups or crashes then it would be BSODs, but kudos to WinXP for making that rare ;) Still, that's not so convincing for me... > But of course I'm glad Linux is around; I seriously doubt M$ would have > shaped up this fast if they didn't feel the threat. And yes M$ is abusive > of its monopoly position -- they have to, to justify their astronomical > P/E ratio. But to simply with a broad brush tar their products as crappy > is incorrect. > > The point is that, people who just deride Windows and make useless > comments like "your box will blow up since you use Windows" simply don't > know what they're talking about. > Oh ok. Really that simple. I was only talking about BSODs, not windoze boxen turning into C4s (if that were the case, then Al-Quaeda should really invest in that ;) My point in saying that is: it is really easy to crash a windoze system (especially if it's in a net) than to crash a Linux/BSD/GNU boxen (especially if it has firewalls and cloaking stuff loaded ;) About M$ being really a bully, it's because they need to. The nice article at Seattle Weekly tells us so. And the worst part is: we can't really blame them. For to much is given, much is expected. Cheers, Zakame -- |=-------------ZAK B. ELEP (Registered Linux User #327585)-------------=| || Web: http://zakame.spunge.org GPG ID: 0xFA53851D || || http://zakame.homelinux.org ICQ UIN: 33236644 || || Location: Daet, Camarines Norte Running Linux 2.6 || |=----------1486 7957 454D E529 E4F1 F75E 5787 B1FD FA53 851D----------=| Debian - When you've got better things to do than to fix a borken system -- Philippine Linux Users' Group (PLUG) Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] (#PLUG @ irc.free.net.ph) Official Website: http://plug.linux.org.ph Searchable Archives: http://marc.free.net.ph . To leave, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/plug . Are you a Linux newbie? To join the newbie list, go to http://lists.q-linux.com/mailman/listinfo/ph-linux-newbie
