Maybe this is just me, but my inbox has a message where someone used this conversation to pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant for no particular reason.
Does anyone know who "Jim Karlock" is? I'm wondering if he even uses linux because he just fired off a lot of hyper conservative BS in a very short amount of time. On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:06 PM Brian Rohan <brianjro...@gmail.com> wrote: > Not sure why the homelessness is a topic on PLUG, unless they are homeless > because they don't have an IPv6 address. > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 6:51 PM Mike C. <mconno...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:27 PM <plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org> wrote: > > > > > Send PLUG mailing list submissions to > > > plug@pdxlinux.org > > > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > > plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org > > > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > > plug-ow...@pdxlinux.org > > > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > > than "Re: Contents of PLUG digest..." > > > > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > > 1. Re: IP tracking (Ben Koenig) > > > 2. Re: How we treat the homeless... (John Jason Jordan) > > > 3. Re: PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM (Denis Heidtmann) > > > 4. Re: How we treat the homeless.. (Mike C.) > > > 5. Re: IP tracking (Rich Shepard) > > > 6. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Jim Karlock) > > > 7. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Michael Barnes) > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:01:29 -0700 > > > From: Ben Koenig <techkoe...@gmail.com> > > > To: plug@pdxlinux.org > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] IP tracking > > > Message-ID: <91a83375-0762-259a-9a7e-0d4033387...@gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > > > > > > > > On 9/22/19 10:41 AM, Thomas Groman wrote: > > > > ... When it comes to calendering, NextCloud is great > > > > for this. It can provide both a web interface and CalDav services for > > > > integration within Thunderbird, CalCurse-caldav, android, or anything > > > > else than handles caldav... > > > > > > You make some good points, but also demonstrate the level to which > > > google is embedded in software development. In recommending ways to get > > > away from google's tracking, you mentioned compatibility with Android, > > > which renders all efforts to afford the problem meaningless. Tracking > > > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that OS, so > > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it. > > > > > > > > > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail account. > > > > > > > > > Another example of OS-level integration is systemd. systemd defaults to > > > google's nameservers when no others are provided. It's a fallback > > > mechanism if standard DNS configuration fails, and is implemented at > > > compile time. Like you mentioned, it's more than just IP tracking, you > > > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you want to > > > actually get away from google's profile building. > > > > > > > > > It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and Ubuntu > > > working behind the scenes to sell out the community. Even Mozilla links > > > up with all those API's, making a weak claim that their use for > tracking > > > is totally different from everyone else's. They still send data to > > > google servers.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 2 > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:17:39 -0700 > > > From: John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com> > > > To: plug@pdxlinux.org > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless... > > > Message-ID: <20190922131739.1fda6333@Devil-Bonobo> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > > > > On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) > > > Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com> dijo: > > > > > > >This is a continuing, higly complex problem that has no simple > > > >resolution. > > > > > > +1 > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > > > Message: 3 > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 14:06:58 -0700 > > > From: Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> > > > To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <plug@pdxlinux.org> > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM > > > Message-ID: > > > < > > > caarut0iwxupfzf-e4g7wusuz4vampk+pt_pwrgnsaidxadu...@mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > > > FWIIW, PSU has done the same thing with the doors in SB1, even though > > there > > > is a business operating in that building. I once had to let in one of > > > their customers. > > > -Denis > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:17 PM Russell Senior < > > russ...@personaltelco.net> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > I am a fan of Portland State as a venue. Firstly, we've been there > > > forever, > > > > b) their mission includes engaging with the community (not least > > because > > > > it's a service to their students); and iii) it's got a good central > > > > location with good transportation options. I suggest we picket the > PSU > > > > administration building; second I suggest we investigate whether a > room > > > in > > > > a different building might work. I recall we were in Smith for quite > a > > > > while before moving to the Engineering building. > > > > > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 4:27 PM Vince Winter < > > vince.win...@freegeek.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey, > > > > > > > > > > I can try to convince free geek to host on Sundays during the day > > > > 11am-5pm > > > > > area? They maybe open to that. > > > > > > > > > > Have you tried reaching out to the campus security to see if they > > would > > > > be > > > > > open to having someone help with door between 645 to 715? > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 4:53 PM Michael Dexter <dex...@pdxlinux.org> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you everyone who pointed out a few odd elements about the > > last > > > > > > meeting, none of which were the fact that I was not there. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. The room change was temporary. Whew! > > > > > > > > > > > > 2. Thanks to the homeless abusing PSU resources, the engineering > > > > > > building will be locking its doors at 5:30PM starting next month. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is sounds minor but the "answer" is to have someone at the > > door > > > > who > > > > > > can identify PLUG attendees (not necessarily easy) and not allow > in > > > > > > anyone who should not enter (also not easy). This door guard > would > > > also > > > > > > ideally hang around for 15 or so minutes to accommodate late > > > arrivals. > > > > > > > > > > > > I personally do not want PLUG members to be in the campus > security > > > > > > business given that it could incur liability should they fail to > > > comply > > > > > > with the school's security policies they are expected to enforce. > > > > > > > > > > > > PLUG has been at PSU for over 20 years and venues of this quality > > do > > > > not > > > > > > come easily. > > > > > > > > > > > > Please share your ideas on how we can work around this new > > > restriction! > > > > > > > > > > > > Please also share your ideas on venues should a solution not > > present > > > > > > itself. The ideal venue, like PSU: > > > > > > > > > > > > * Is central with good public transportation access > > > > > > * Is free of charge > > > > > > * Is not dependent on a staff attendant unless they are > guaranteed > > to > > > > be > > > > > > there for other reasons > > > > > > * Has good lighting > > > > > > * Has a good projector > > > > > > * Has affordable, safe parking for those who cannot take public > > > > > > transportation > > > > > > * Has good WiFI and optional Ethernet Internet access > > > > > > * Has good food options on site or nearby > > > > > > > > > > > > Free Geek is a highly-sympathetic venue but does not meet all of > > > these > > > > > > criteria. > > > Actually it is a very simple, two tiered, problem: > > > > > > 1. Cost of housing is ONLY in areas with severe restrictions on > building > > > on unused land. In Oregon & Washington it is Urban Grown > > > Boundaries. They have doubled cost of rents/ housing. Simple economics > - > > > they create a shortage of land, which drives up the > > > price. In Portland's low income are, Lents, a parcel recently sold for > > ONE > > > MILLION/ acra which is about $125,000 for a 5000 sf empty > > > lot. Portland adds at lease $50,000 to that for permission to build. > When > > > you start with almost $200,000 in cost BEFORE building anything, > > > you cannot build affordable houses. > > > > > > > Yes but also Oregon & Texas are the only 2 states that don't have > > "Inclusionary Housing" laws that require developers to build a certain > > number of affordable / low income units. More info here, > > > > > https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2015/04/after_years_of_trying_inclusio.html > > > > > > > > > 2. People who simply cannot afford rent, end up living with friends, > > > sharing an apartment, living in a camper or moving to another area. > There > > > are many successful services for this group. They generally do not end > up > > > in tests surrounded by needles. > > > > > > Yes, "generally" as far as generalizations go. > > > > 3. Tent people are about 50-80% drug/alcohol addicts, some mentally ill > > > that probably should be in institutions, and criminals who no one > > > will rent to. > > > > > > > I've heard a variety of life stories and personally know a lot people > from > > all walks of life. We also have housed & employed drug addicts, > alcoholics, > > criminals and sociopaths. One of who resides in the grandest house of all > > at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > > > > These aspects of human experience aren't the exclusive domain of the > > homeless. > > > > > > > You may have noted an increase in people doing absolutely crazy things > > > described as a mental health crisis - mostly illegal drug use. > > > > > > View Seattle is Dying on YouTube for one viewpoint on the problem. > > > > > > I've seen it, wasn't impressed by nor did I agree wit it because it > > doesn't address the root cause of alcohol, drug, tobacco and other > > addictions. Most often addiction is the result of trauma, abuse, social > > disconnection in which their basic human needs aren't being met and > mental > > illness such as depression in which people are simply seeking a respite > > from their own suffering not unlike many housed people do when they drink > > and adult beverage, partake of the herb or otherwise entertain/distract > > themselves in the privacy of their own home. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
