At 08:55 PM 9/22/2019, Ben Koenig wrote:
Maybe this is just me, but my inbox has a message where someone used this
conversation to pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant for no particular
reason.
"pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant" for observing that "Trump
is cleaning up some of the faster than Obama did. That sounds a lot
like hyper liberal exxageration to me.
Does anyone know who "Jim Karlock" is?
Look me up on Google Scholar.
I'm wondering if he even uses linux
YES. Not very proficient, but I use it almost daily.
because he just fired off a lot of hyper conservative BS in a very short
amount of time.
Hyper conservative BS?? Interesting characterization of a counter to
hyper greenie BS!
Look up the factual accuracy of what I posted and compare it to the
other guy. Please do not use any greenie web sites that raise money
be scaring people about the environment as sources. EPA will have the
data. Look at the data, not the text as that is often political.
BTW - this is a lot off topic, so, having defended myself, lets call it quits.
Thanks
JK
On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:06 PM Brian Rohan <brianjro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Not sure why the homelessness is a topic on PLUG, unless they are homeless
> because they don't have an IPv6 address.
>
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 6:51 PM Mike C. <mconno...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:27 PM <plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org> wrote:
> >
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Re: IP tracking (Ben Koenig)
> > > 2. Re: How we treat the homeless... (John Jason Jordan)
> > > 3. Re: PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM (Denis Heidtmann)
> > > 4. Re: How we treat the homeless.. (Mike C.)
> > > 5. Re: IP tracking (Rich Shepard)
> > > 6. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Jim Karlock)
> > > 7. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Michael Barnes)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:01:29 -0700
> > > From: Ben Koenig <techkoe...@gmail.com>
> > > To: plug@pdxlinux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] IP tracking
> > > Message-ID: <91a83375-0762-259a-9a7e-0d4033387...@gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/22/19 10:41 AM, Thomas Groman wrote:
> > > > ... When it comes to calendering, NextCloud is great
> > > > for this. It can provide both a web interface and CalDav services for
> > > > integration within Thunderbird, CalCurse-caldav, android, or anything
> > > > else than handles caldav...
> > >
> > > You make some good points, but also demonstrate the level to which
> > > google is embedded in software development. In recommending ways to get
> > > away from google's tracking, you mentioned compatibility with Android,
> > > which renders all efforts to afford the problem meaningless. Tracking
> > > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that OS, so
> > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it.
> > >
> > >
> > > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail account.
> > >
> > >
> > > Another example of OS-level integration is systemd. systemd defaults to
> > > google's nameservers when no others are provided. It's a fallback
> > > mechanism if standard DNS configuration fails, and is implemented at
> > > compile time. Like you mentioned, it's more than just IP tracking, you
> > > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you want to
> > > actually get away from google's profile building.
> > >
> > >
> > > It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and Ubuntu
> > > working behind the scenes to sell out the community. Even Mozilla links
> > > up with all those API's, making a weak claim that their use for
> tracking
> > > is totally different from everyone else's. They still send data to
> > > google servers....
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:17:39 -0700
> > > From: John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com>
> > > To: plug@pdxlinux.org
> > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless...
> > > Message-ID: <20190922131739.1fda6333@Devil-Bonobo>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> > >
> > > On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT)
> > > Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com> dijo:
> > >
> > > >This is a continuing, higly complex problem that has no simple
> > > >resolution.
> > >
> > > +1
> > >
> > >
> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 14:06:58 -0700
> > > From: Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com>
> > > To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <plug@pdxlinux.org>
> > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM
> > > Message-ID:
> > > <
> > > caarut0iwxupfzf-e4g7wusuz4vampk+pt_pwrgnsaidxadu...@mail.gmail.com>
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> > >
> > > FWIIW, PSU has done the same thing with the doors in SB1, even though
> > there
> > > is a business operating in that building. I once had to let in one of
> > > their customers.
> > > -Denis
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:17 PM Russell Senior <
> > russ...@personaltelco.net>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am a fan of Portland State as a venue. Firstly, we've been there
> > > forever,
> > > > b) their mission includes engaging with the community (not least
> > because
> > > > it's a service to their students); and iii) it's got a good central
> > > > location with good transportation options. I suggest we picket the
> PSU
> > > > administration building; second I suggest we investigate whether a
> room
> > > in
> > > > a different building might work. I recall we were in Smith for quite
> a
> > > > while before moving to the Engineering building.
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 4:27 PM Vince Winter <
> > vince.win...@freegeek.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hey,
> > > > >
> > > > > I can try to convince free geek to host on Sundays during the day
> > > > 11am-5pm
> > > > > area? They maybe open to that.
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you tried reaching out to the campus security to see if they
> > would
> > > > be
> > > > > open to having someone help with door between 645 to 715?
> > > > >
> > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 4:53 PM Michael Dexter <dex...@pdxlinux.org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thank you everyone who pointed out a few odd elements about the
> > last
> > > > > > meeting, none of which were the fact that I was not there.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1. The room change was temporary. Whew!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. Thanks to the homeless abusing PSU resources, the engineering
> > > > > > building will be locking its doors at 5:30PM starting next month.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This is sounds minor but the "answer" is to have someone at the
> > door
> > > > who
> > > > > > can identify PLUG attendees (not necessarily easy) and not allow
> in
> > > > > > anyone who should not enter (also not easy). This door guard
> would
> > > also
> > > > > > ideally hang around for 15 or so minutes to accommodate late
> > > arrivals.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I personally do not want PLUG members to be in the campus
> security
> > > > > > business given that it could incur liability should they fail to
> > > comply
> > > > > > with the school's security policies they are expected to enforce.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > PLUG has been at PSU for over 20 years and venues of this quality
> > do
> > > > not
> > > > > > come easily.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please share your ideas on how we can work around this new
> > > restriction!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please also share your ideas on venues should a solution not
> > present
> > > > > > itself. The ideal venue, like PSU:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > * Is central with good public transportation access
> > > > > > * Is free of charge
> > > > > > * Is not dependent on a staff attendant unless they are
> guaranteed
> > to
> > > > be
> > > > > > there for other reasons
> > > > > > * Has good lighting
> > > > > > * Has a good projector
> > > > > > * Has affordable, safe parking for those who cannot take public
> > > > > > transportation
> > > > > > * Has good WiFI and optional Ethernet Internet access
> > > > > > * Has good food options on site or nearby
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Free Geek is a highly-sympathetic venue but does not meet all of
> > > these
> > > > > > criteria.
> > > Actually it is a very simple, two tiered, problem:
> > >
> > > 1. Cost of housing is ONLY in areas with severe restrictions on
> building
> > > on unused land. In Oregon & Washington it is Urban Grown
> > > Boundaries. They have doubled cost of rents/ housing. Simple economics
> -
> > > they create a shortage of land, which drives up the
> > > price. In Portland's low income are, Lents, a parcel recently sold for
> > ONE
> > > MILLION/ acra which is about $125,000 for a 5000 sf empty
> > > lot. Portland adds at lease $50,000 to that for permission to build.
> When
> > > you start with almost $200,000 in cost BEFORE building anything,
> > > you cannot build affordable houses.
> > >
> >
> > Yes but also Oregon & Texas are the only 2 states that don't have
> > "Inclusionary Housing" laws that require developers to build a certain
> > number of affordable / low income units. More info here,
> >
> >
>
https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2015/04/after_years_of_trying_inclusio.html
> >
> >
> >
> > > 2. People who simply cannot afford rent, end up living with friends,
> > > sharing an apartment, living in a camper or moving to another area.
> There
> > > are many successful services for this group. They generally do not end
> up
> > > in tests surrounded by needles.
> > >
> > > Yes, "generally" as far as generalizations go.
> >
> > 3. Tent people are about 50-80% drug/alcohol addicts, some mentally ill
> > > that probably should be in institutions, and criminals who no one
> > > will rent to.
> > >
> >
> > I've heard a variety of life stories and personally know a lot people
> from
> > all walks of life. We also have housed & employed drug addicts,
> alcoholics,
> > criminals and sociopaths. One of who resides in the grandest house of all
> > at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.
> >
> > These aspects of human experience aren't the exclusive domain of the
> > homeless.
> >
> >
> > > You may have noted an increase in people doing absolutely crazy things
> > > described as a mental health crisis - mostly illegal drug use.
> > >
> > > View Seattle is Dying on YouTube for one viewpoint on the problem.
> > >
> > > I've seen it, wasn't impressed by nor did I agree wit it because it
> > doesn't address the root cause of alcohol, drug, tobacco and other
> > addictions. Most often addiction is the result of trauma, abuse, social
> > disconnection in which their basic human needs aren't being met and
> mental
> > illness such as depression in which people are simply seeking a respite
> > from their own suffering not unlike many housed people do when they drink
> > and adult beverage, partake of the herb or otherwise entertain/distract
> > themselves in the privacy of their own home.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
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