Wait, hold on Jim... Is this you?? https://karlockformetro.blogspot.com/2009/11/we-are-winning.html
Facts? You want to talk about Facts? What about this one here: On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 9:57 PM Ben Koenig <techkoe...@gmail.com> wrote: > LOL! > > Conservative activist in the Portland area? Dude, there is nothing for you > to defend. Your attitude is combative, and follows the pattern of russian > trolling. > > But hey, I guess that's why we have a PLUG-Talk list. If you want to make > everything a "Me VS The Other Guy" battle, go find yourself an appropriate > forum. Oh wait! Sorry, it appears people have a tendency to kick your ass > to the curb: > > https://blogs.columbian.com/all-politics-is-local/jim-karlock-got-kicked-out-of-a-league-of-women-voters-forum/ > > I'm reading your text, and seeing a sad little man who starts off topic > conversations, then hides when confronted. > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 9:40 PM Jim Karlock <jjkarl...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> At 08:55 PM 9/22/2019, Ben Koenig wrote: >> >Maybe this is just me, but my inbox has a message where someone used this >> >conversation to pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant for no particular >> >reason. >> >> "pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant" for observing that "Trump >> is cleaning up some of the faster than Obama did. That sounds a lot >> like hyper liberal exxageration to me. >> >> >> >Does anyone know who "Jim Karlock" is? >> Look me up on Google Scholar. >> >> > I'm wondering if he even uses linux >> YES. Not very proficient, but I use it almost daily. >> >> >because he just fired off a lot of hyper conservative BS in a very short >> >amount of time. >> >> Hyper conservative BS?? Interesting characterization of a counter to >> hyper greenie BS! >> >> Look up the factual accuracy of what I posted and compare it to the >> other guy. Please do not use any greenie web sites that raise money >> be scaring people about the environment as sources. EPA will have the >> data. Look at the data, not the text as that is often political. >> >> BTW - this is a lot off topic, so, having defended myself, lets call it >> quits. >> >> Thanks >> JK >> >> >> >> >On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:06 PM Brian Rohan <brianjro...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > > Not sure why the homelessness is a topic on PLUG, unless they are >> homeless >> > > because they don't have an IPv6 address. >> > > >> > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 6:51 PM Mike C. <mconno...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > > >> > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:27 PM <plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org> wrote: >> > > > >> > > > > Send PLUG mailing list submissions to >> > > > > plug@pdxlinux.org >> > > > > >> > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> > > > > plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org >> > > > > >> > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at >> > > > > plug-ow...@pdxlinux.org >> > > > > >> > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more >> specific >> > > > > than "Re: Contents of PLUG digest..." >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Today's Topics: >> > > > > >> > > > > 1. Re: IP tracking (Ben Koenig) >> > > > > 2. Re: How we treat the homeless... (John Jason Jordan) >> > > > > 3. Re: PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM (Denis Heidtmann) >> > > > > 4. Re: How we treat the homeless.. (Mike C.) >> > > > > 5. Re: IP tracking (Rich Shepard) >> > > > > 6. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Jim Karlock) >> > > > > 7. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Michael Barnes) >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> > > > > >> > > > > Message: 1 >> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:01:29 -0700 >> > > > > From: Ben Koenig <techkoe...@gmail.com> >> > > > > To: plug@pdxlinux.org >> > > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] IP tracking >> > > > > Message-ID: <91a83375-0762-259a-9a7e-0d4033387...@gmail.com> >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > On 9/22/19 10:41 AM, Thomas Groman wrote: >> > > > > > ... When it comes to calendering, NextCloud is great >> > > > > > for this. It can provide both a web interface and CalDav >> services for >> > > > > > integration within Thunderbird, CalCurse-caldav, android, or >> anything >> > > > > > else than handles caldav... >> > > > > >> > > > > You make some good points, but also demonstrate the level to which >> > > > > google is embedded in software development. In recommending ways >> to get >> > > > > away from google's tracking, you mentioned compatibility with >> Android, >> > > > > which renders all efforts to afford the problem meaningless. >> Tracking >> > > > > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that >> OS, so >> > > > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail >> account. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > Another example of OS-level integration is systemd. systemd >> defaults to >> > > > > google's nameservers when no others are provided. It's a fallback >> > > > > mechanism if standard DNS configuration fails, and is implemented >> at >> > > > > compile time. Like you mentioned, it's more than just IP >> tracking, you >> > > > > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you >> want to >> > > > > actually get away from google's profile building. >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and Ubuntu >> > > > > working behind the scenes to sell out the community. Even Mozilla >> links >> > > > > up with all those API's, making a weak claim that their use for >> > > tracking >> > > > > is totally different from everyone else's. They still send data to >> > > > > google servers.... >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ >> > > > > >> > > > > Message: 2 >> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:17:39 -0700 >> > > > > From: John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com> >> > > > > To: plug@pdxlinux.org >> > > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless... >> > > > > Message-ID: <20190922131739.1fda6333@Devil-Bonobo> >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >> > > > > >> > > > > On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) >> > > > > Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com> dijo: >> > > > > >> > > > > >This is a continuing, higly complex problem that has no simple >> > > > > >resolution. >> > > > > >> > > > > +1 >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ >> > > > > >> > > > > Message: 3 >> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 14:06:58 -0700 >> > > > > From: Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> >> > > > > To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <plug@pdxlinux.org> >> > > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM >> > > > > Message-ID: >> > > > > < >> > > > > >> caarut0iwxupfzf-e4g7wusuz4vampk+pt_pwrgnsaidxadu...@mail.gmail.com> >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" >> > > > > >> > > > > FWIIW, PSU has done the same thing with the doors in SB1, even >> though >> > > > there >> > > > > is a business operating in that building. I once had to let in >> one of >> > > > > their customers. >> > > > > -Denis >> > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:17 PM Russell Senior < >> > > > russ...@personaltelco.net> >> > > > > wrote: >> > > > > >> > > > > > I am a fan of Portland State as a venue. Firstly, we've been >> there >> > > > > forever, >> > > > > > b) their mission includes engaging with the community (not least >> > > > because >> > > > > > it's a service to their students); and iii) it's got a good >> central >> > > > > > location with good transportation options. I suggest we picket >> the >> > > PSU >> > > > > > administration building; second I suggest we investigate >> whether a >> > > room >> > > > > in >> > > > > > a different building might work. I recall we were in Smith for >> quite >> > > a >> > > > > > while before moving to the Engineering building. >> > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 4:27 PM Vince Winter < >> > > > vince.win...@freegeek.org> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hey, >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I can try to convince free geek to host on Sundays during the >> day >> > > > > > 11am-5pm >> > > > > > > area? They maybe open to that. >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Have you tried reaching out to the campus security to see if >> they >> > > > would >> > > > > > be >> > > > > > > open to having someone help with door between 645 to 715? >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 4:53 PM Michael Dexter < >> dex...@pdxlinux.org> >> > > > > > wrote: >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hello all, >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you everyone who pointed out a few odd elements about >> the >> > > > last >> > > > > > > > meeting, none of which were the fact that I was not there. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. The room change was temporary. Whew! >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Thanks to the homeless abusing PSU resources, the >> engineering >> > > > > > > > building will be locking its doors at 5:30PM starting next >> month. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is sounds minor but the "answer" is to have someone at >> the >> > > > door >> > > > > > who >> > > > > > > > can identify PLUG attendees (not necessarily easy) and not >> allow >> > > in >> > > > > > > > anyone who should not enter (also not easy). This door guard >> > > would >> > > > > also >> > > > > > > > ideally hang around for 15 or so minutes to accommodate late >> > > > > arrivals. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I personally do not want PLUG members to be in the campus >> > > security >> > > > > > > > business given that it could incur liability should they >> fail to >> > > > > comply >> > > > > > > > with the school's security policies they are expected to >> enforce. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > PLUG has been at PSU for over 20 years and venues of this >> quality >> > > > do >> > > > > > not >> > > > > > > > come easily. >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please share your ideas on how we can work around this new >> > > > > restriction! >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please also share your ideas on venues should a solution not >> > > > present >> > > > > > > > itself. The ideal venue, like PSU: >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > * Is central with good public transportation access >> > > > > > > > * Is free of charge >> > > > > > > > * Is not dependent on a staff attendant unless they are >> > > guaranteed >> > > > to >> > > > > > be >> > > > > > > > there for other reasons >> > > > > > > > * Has good lighting >> > > > > > > > * Has a good projector >> > > > > > > > * Has affordable, safe parking for those who cannot take >> public >> > > > > > > > transportation >> > > > > > > > * Has good WiFI and optional Ethernet Internet access >> > > > > > > > * Has good food options on site or nearby >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Free Geek is a highly-sympathetic venue but does not meet >> all of >> > > > > these >> > > > > > > > criteria. >> > > > > Actually it is a very simple, two tiered, problem: >> > > > > >> > > > > 1. Cost of housing is ONLY in areas with severe restrictions on >> > > building >> > > > > on unused land. In Oregon & Washington it is Urban Grown >> > > > > Boundaries. They have doubled cost of rents/ housing. Simple >> economics >> > > - >> > > > > they create a shortage of land, which drives up the >> > > > > price. In Portland's low income are, Lents, a parcel recently >> sold for >> > > > ONE >> > > > > MILLION/ acra which is about $125,000 for a 5000 sf empty >> > > > > lot. Portland adds at lease $50,000 to that for permission to >> build. >> > > When >> > > > > you start with almost $200,000 in cost BEFORE building anything, >> > > > > you cannot build affordable houses. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > Yes but also Oregon & Texas are the only 2 states that don't have >> > > > "Inclusionary Housing" laws that require developers to build a >> certain >> > > > number of affordable / low income units. More info here, >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2015/04/after_years_of_trying_inclusio.html >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > 2. People who simply cannot afford rent, end up living with >> friends, >> > > > > sharing an apartment, living in a camper or moving to another >> area. >> > > There >> > > > > are many successful services for this group. They generally do >> not end >> > > up >> > > > > in tests surrounded by needles. >> > > > > >> > > > > Yes, "generally" as far as generalizations go. >> > > > >> > > > 3. Tent people are about 50-80% drug/alcohol addicts, some mentally >> ill >> > > > > that probably should be in institutions, and criminals who no one >> > > > > will rent to. >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > I've heard a variety of life stories and personally know a lot >> people >> > > from >> > > > all walks of life. We also have housed & employed drug addicts, >> > > alcoholics, >> > > > criminals and sociopaths. One of who resides in the grandest house >> of all >> > > > at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. >> > > > >> > > > These aspects of human experience aren't the exclusive domain of the >> > > > homeless. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > You may have noted an increase in people doing absolutely crazy >> things >> > > > > described as a mental health crisis - mostly illegal drug use. >> > > > > >> > > > > View Seattle is Dying on YouTube for one viewpoint on the problem. >> > > > > >> > > > > I've seen it, wasn't impressed by nor did I agree wit it because >> it >> > > > doesn't address the root cause of alcohol, drug, tobacco and other >> > > > addictions. Most often addiction is the result of trauma, abuse, >> social >> > > > disconnection in which their basic human needs aren't being met and >> > > mental >> > > > illness such as depression in which people are simply seeking a >> respite >> > > > from their own suffering not unlike many housed people do when they >> drink >> > > > and adult beverage, partake of the herb or otherwise >> entertain/distract >> > > > themselves in the privacy of their own home. >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > PLUG mailing list >> > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org >> > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > PLUG mailing list >> > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org >> > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >PLUG mailing list >> >PLUG@pdxlinux.org >> >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> _______________________________________________ >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG@pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug >> > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug