Plug-talk, please. On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 22:15 Ben Koenig <techkoe...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wait, hold on Jim... > > Is this you?? > https://karlockformetro.blogspot.com/2009/11/we-are-winning.html > > Facts? You want to talk about Facts? What about this one here: > > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 9:57 PM Ben Koenig <techkoe...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > LOL! > > > > Conservative activist in the Portland area? Dude, there is nothing for > you > > to defend. Your attitude is combative, and follows the pattern of russian > > trolling. > > > > But hey, I guess that's why we have a PLUG-Talk list. If you want to make > > everything a "Me VS The Other Guy" battle, go find yourself an > appropriate > > forum. Oh wait! Sorry, it appears people have a tendency to kick your ass > > to the curb: > > > > > https://blogs.columbian.com/all-politics-is-local/jim-karlock-got-kicked-out-of-a-league-of-women-voters-forum/ > > > > I'm reading your text, and seeing a sad little man who starts off topic > > conversations, then hides when confronted. > > > > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 9:40 PM Jim Karlock <jjkarl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > >> At 08:55 PM 9/22/2019, Ben Koenig wrote: > >> >Maybe this is just me, but my inbox has a message where someone used > this > >> >conversation to pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant for no > particular > >> >reason. > >> > >> "pivot into a pro-Trump, anti-Obama rant" for observing that "Trump > >> is cleaning up some of the faster than Obama did. That sounds a lot > >> like hyper liberal exxageration to me. > >> > >> > >> >Does anyone know who "Jim Karlock" is? > >> Look me up on Google Scholar. > >> > >> > I'm wondering if he even uses linux > >> YES. Not very proficient, but I use it almost daily. > >> > >> >because he just fired off a lot of hyper conservative BS in a very > short > >> >amount of time. > >> > >> Hyper conservative BS?? Interesting characterization of a counter to > >> hyper greenie BS! > >> > >> Look up the factual accuracy of what I posted and compare it to the > >> other guy. Please do not use any greenie web sites that raise money > >> be scaring people about the environment as sources. EPA will have the > >> data. Look at the data, not the text as that is often political. > >> > >> BTW - this is a lot off topic, so, having defended myself, lets call it > >> quits. > >> > >> Thanks > >> JK > >> > >> > >> > >> >On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 7:06 PM Brian Rohan <brianjro...@gmail.com> > >> wrote: > >> > > >> > > Not sure why the homelessness is a topic on PLUG, unless they are > >> homeless > >> > > because they don't have an IPv6 address. > >> > > > >> > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019, 6:51 PM Mike C. <mconno...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > > On Sun, Sep 22, 2019 at 4:27 PM <plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org> > wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > > Send PLUG mailing list submissions to > >> > > > > plug@pdxlinux.org > >> > > > > > >> > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> > > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > > > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> > > > > plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org > >> > > > > > >> > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > >> > > > > plug-ow...@pdxlinux.org > >> > > > > > >> > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more > >> specific > >> > > > > than "Re: Contents of PLUG digest..." > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Today's Topics: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 1. Re: IP tracking (Ben Koenig) > >> > > > > 2. Re: How we treat the homeless... (John Jason Jordan) > >> > > > > 3. Re: PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM (Denis Heidtmann) > >> > > > > 4. Re: How we treat the homeless.. (Mike C.) > >> > > > > 5. Re: IP tracking (Rich Shepard) > >> > > > > 6. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Jim Karlock) > >> > > > > 7. Re: How we treat the homeless... (Michael Barnes) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Message: 1 > >> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:01:29 -0700 > >> > > > > From: Ben Koenig <techkoe...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > To: plug@pdxlinux.org > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] IP tracking > >> > > > > Message-ID: <91a83375-0762-259a-9a7e-0d4033387...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On 9/22/19 10:41 AM, Thomas Groman wrote: > >> > > > > > ... When it comes to calendering, NextCloud is great > >> > > > > > for this. It can provide both a web interface and CalDav > >> services for > >> > > > > > integration within Thunderbird, CalCurse-caldav, android, or > >> anything > >> > > > > > else than handles caldav... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > You make some good points, but also demonstrate the level to > which > >> > > > > google is embedded in software development. In recommending ways > >> to get > >> > > > > away from google's tracking, you mentioned compatibility with > >> Android, > >> > > > > which renders all efforts to afford the problem meaningless. > >> Tracking > >> > > > > that is baked into the OS affects all apps running within that > >> OS, so > >> > > > > you have to stop using android. Also stop mentioning it. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Not that I'm the best example of this, writing from my gmail > >> account. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Another example of OS-level integration is systemd. systemd > >> defaults to > >> > > > > google's nameservers when no others are provided. It's a > fallback > >> > > > > mechanism if standard DNS configuration fails, and is > implemented > >> at > >> > > > > compile time. Like you mentioned, it's more than just IP > >> tracking, you > >> > > > > need to start rejecting entire chunks of your OS stack if you > >> want to > >> > > > > actually get away from google's profile building. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > It's pretty disgusting these days. Distros like Debian and > Ubuntu > >> > > > > working behind the scenes to sell out the community. Even > Mozilla > >> links > >> > > > > up with all those API's, making a weak claim that their use for > >> > > tracking > >> > > > > is totally different from everyone else's. They still send data > to > >> > > > > google servers.... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Message: 2 > >> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 13:17:39 -0700 > >> > > > > From: John Jason Jordan <joh...@gmx.com> > >> > > > > To: plug@pdxlinux.org > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] How we treat the homeless... > >> > > > > Message-ID: <20190922131739.1fda6333@Devil-Bonobo> > >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sun, 22 Sep 2019 10:46:00 -0700 (PDT) > >> > > > > Rich Shepard <rshep...@appl-ecosys.com> dijo: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >This is a continuing, higly complex problem that has no simple > >> > > > > >resolution. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > +1 > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > ------------------------------ > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Message: 3 > >> > > > > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2019 14:06:58 -0700 > >> > > > > From: Denis Heidtmann <denis.heidtm...@gmail.com> > >> > > > > To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" <plug@pdxlinux.org> > >> > > > > Subject: Re: [PLUG] PLUG HAS A VENUE PROBLEM > >> > > > > Message-ID: > >> > > > > < > >> > > > > > >> caarut0iwxupfzf-e4g7wusuz4vampk+pt_pwrgnsaidxadu...@mail.gmail.com> > >> > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > >> > > > > > >> > > > > FWIIW, PSU has done the same thing with the doors in SB1, even > >> though > >> > > > there > >> > > > > is a business operating in that building. I once had to let in > >> one of > >> > > > > their customers. > >> > > > > -Denis > >> > > > > > >> > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 7:17 PM Russell Senior < > >> > > > russ...@personaltelco.net> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > I am a fan of Portland State as a venue. Firstly, we've been > >> there > >> > > > > forever, > >> > > > > > b) their mission includes engaging with the community (not > least > >> > > > because > >> > > > > > it's a service to their students); and iii) it's got a good > >> central > >> > > > > > location with good transportation options. I suggest we picket > >> the > >> > > PSU > >> > > > > > administration building; second I suggest we investigate > >> whether a > >> > > room > >> > > > > in > >> > > > > > a different building might work. I recall we were in Smith for > >> quite > >> > > a > >> > > > > > while before moving to the Engineering building. > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > On Sat, Sep 21, 2019 at 4:27 PM Vince Winter < > >> > > > vince.win...@freegeek.org> > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Hey, > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I can try to convince free geek to host on Sundays during > the > >> day > >> > > > > > 11am-5pm > >> > > > > > > area? They maybe open to that. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Have you tried reaching out to the campus security to see if > >> they > >> > > > would > >> > > > > > be > >> > > > > > > open to having someone help with door between 645 to 715? > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > On Fri, Sep 20, 2019, 4:53 PM Michael Dexter < > >> dex...@pdxlinux.org> > >> > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Hello all, > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thank you everyone who pointed out a few odd elements > about > >> the > >> > > > last > >> > > > > > > > meeting, none of which were the fact that I was not there. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 1. The room change was temporary. Whew! > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > 2. Thanks to the homeless abusing PSU resources, the > >> engineering > >> > > > > > > > building will be locking its doors at 5:30PM starting next > >> month. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > This is sounds minor but the "answer" is to have someone > at > >> the > >> > > > door > >> > > > > > who > >> > > > > > > > can identify PLUG attendees (not necessarily easy) and not > >> allow > >> > > in > >> > > > > > > > anyone who should not enter (also not easy). This door > guard > >> > > would > >> > > > > also > >> > > > > > > > ideally hang around for 15 or so minutes to accommodate > late > >> > > > > arrivals. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > I personally do not want PLUG members to be in the campus > >> > > security > >> > > > > > > > business given that it could incur liability should they > >> fail to > >> > > > > comply > >> > > > > > > > with the school's security policies they are expected to > >> enforce. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > PLUG has been at PSU for over 20 years and venues of this > >> quality > >> > > > do > >> > > > > > not > >> > > > > > > > come easily. > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please share your ideas on how we can work around this new > >> > > > > restriction! > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Please also share your ideas on venues should a solution > not > >> > > > present > >> > > > > > > > itself. The ideal venue, like PSU: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > * Is central with good public transportation access > >> > > > > > > > * Is free of charge > >> > > > > > > > * Is not dependent on a staff attendant unless they are > >> > > guaranteed > >> > > > to > >> > > > > > be > >> > > > > > > > there for other reasons > >> > > > > > > > * Has good lighting > >> > > > > > > > * Has a good projector > >> > > > > > > > * Has affordable, safe parking for those who cannot take > >> public > >> > > > > > > > transportation > >> > > > > > > > * Has good WiFI and optional Ethernet Internet access > >> > > > > > > > * Has good food options on site or nearby > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Free Geek is a highly-sympathetic venue but does not meet > >> all of > >> > > > > these > >> > > > > > > > criteria. > >> > > > > Actually it is a very simple, two tiered, problem: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > 1. Cost of housing is ONLY in areas with severe restrictions on > >> > > building > >> > > > > on unused land. In Oregon & Washington it is Urban Grown > >> > > > > Boundaries. They have doubled cost of rents/ housing. Simple > >> economics > >> > > - > >> > > > > they create a shortage of land, which drives up the > >> > > > > price. In Portland's low income are, Lents, a parcel recently > >> sold for > >> > > > ONE > >> > > > > MILLION/ acra which is about $125,000 for a 5000 sf empty > >> > > > > lot. Portland adds at lease $50,000 to that for permission to > >> build. > >> > > When > >> > > > > you start with almost $200,000 in cost BEFORE building anything, > >> > > > > you cannot build affordable houses. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > Yes but also Oregon & Texas are the only 2 states that don't have > >> > > > "Inclusionary Housing" laws that require developers to build a > >> certain > >> > > > number of affordable / low income units. More info here, > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > https://www.oregonlive.com/politics/2015/04/after_years_of_trying_inclusio.html > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > 2. People who simply cannot afford rent, end up living with > >> friends, > >> > > > > sharing an apartment, living in a camper or moving to another > >> area. > >> > > There > >> > > > > are many successful services for this group. They generally do > >> not end > >> > > up > >> > > > > in tests surrounded by needles. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Yes, "generally" as far as generalizations go. > >> > > > > >> > > > 3. Tent people are about 50-80% drug/alcohol addicts, some > mentally > >> ill > >> > > > > that probably should be in institutions, and criminals who no > one > >> > > > > will rent to. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > I've heard a variety of life stories and personally know a lot > >> people > >> > > from > >> > > > all walks of life. We also have housed & employed drug addicts, > >> > > alcoholics, > >> > > > criminals and sociopaths. One of who resides in the grandest house > >> of all > >> > > > at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. > >> > > > > >> > > > These aspects of human experience aren't the exclusive domain of > the > >> > > > homeless. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > You may have noted an increase in people doing absolutely crazy > >> things > >> > > > > described as a mental health crisis - mostly illegal drug use. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > View Seattle is Dying on YouTube for one viewpoint on the > problem. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I've seen it, wasn't impressed by nor did I agree wit it because > >> it > >> > > > doesn't address the root cause of alcohol, drug, tobacco and other > >> > > > addictions. Most often addiction is the result of trauma, abuse, > >> social > >> > > > disconnection in which their basic human needs aren't being met > and > >> > > mental > >> > > > illness such as depression in which people are simply seeking a > >> respite > >> > > > from their own suffering not unlike many housed people do when > they > >> drink > >> > > > and adult beverage, partake of the herb or otherwise > >> entertain/distract > >> > > > themselves in the privacy of their own home. > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > > PLUG mailing list > >> > > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > >> > > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > > > > >> > > _______________________________________________ > >> > > PLUG mailing list > >> > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > >> > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > > > >> >_______________________________________________ > >> >PLUG mailing list > >> >PLUG@pdxlinux.org > >> >http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PLUG mailing list > >> PLUG@pdxlinux.org > >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >> > > > _______________________________________________ > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > _______________________________________________ PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug