Flip flopping means it is being flagged sometimes, and other times not.

That is the behavior change I was referring to.

-wes

On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:32 PM Ben Koenig <[email protected]> wrote:

> What do you mean by "flip flop" I take it to mean that the behavior has
> changed.
>
> Removing the footer didnt affect anything on my end. It also didnt change
> anything for Tomas since he mentioned early on that he wasnt seeing the
> problem.
>
> How is flipping it back on going to change things if turning it off did
> nothing?
>
> -Ben
>
> Sent from ProtonMail mobile
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> On Jun 3, 2021, 6:20 PM, wes wrote:
>
> > I suppose the only thing missing might be due to your decision to exclude
> > organizational gmail users. that is, of course, your call to make for
> > yourself, but I disagree with the reasoning behind it.
> >
> > if we include them, then we see flip-flopping. which means we still don't
> > have a clear picture of a specific cause. we could hypothesize that this
> > indicates the spam score is very near gmail's flag threshold, so maybe
> > removing the footer brought it down slightly. using an MTA that isn't on
> a
> > blacklist might bring it down by a larger amount. what we need to do is
> put
> > the footer back and see how that affects it.
> >
> > either way, we only have a few data points, so certainly not enough to
> draw
> > any conclusions.
> >
> > -wes
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 6:11 PM Tomas Kuchta <
> [email protected]>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I was giving feedback that it might resolve itself + I was being smart
> >> about it.
> >>
> >> Yes, I feel that the discussion is not moving productively anywhere and
> we
> >> are not learning. But .... I am not participating, nor feel
> >> offended/upset/etc.... I do not really mind.
> >>
> >> Tomas
> >>
> >> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, 20:32 wes <[email protected]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > I think this is an ongoing topic and probably doesn't need to be
> closed.
> >> > however you are welcome to use gmail's mute feature if you would like
> to
> >> > stop seeing it.
> >> >
> >> > the footer was removed last week or so, as a test at tom's request.
> since
> >> > then, I have seen emails from him flagged as spam, and also not
> flagged.
> >> >
> >> > decisions to flag or not are based on a scoring system. each
> indicator of
> >> > email legitimacy is given a numerical value, and the scores from each
> >> > factor found in a given email are added together. the email service
> >> > provider sets a threshold of how high a score has to be to flag the
> >> email.
> >> > different providers will have different factors they consider, and set
> >> > their own threshold.
> >> >
> >> > using linode to send emails is definitely a problem, even if you don't
> >> see
> >> > it.
> >> >
> >> > -wes
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:22 PM TomasK <[email protected]>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > FYI
> >> > >
> >> > > This email has landed in my gmail inbox, not spam - perhaps it is
> time
> >> > > to retire this super long thread - before enough people mark is as
> spam
> >> > > - LOL.
> >> > >
> >> > > Maybe gmail-machines (yes it is Matrix reference) pays attention to
> >> > > human replies and re-classifies ...
> >> > >
> >> > > Tomas
> >> > >
> >> > > On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 14:11 -0700, Tom wrote:
> >> > > > > Hello,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thanks for reaching out to inform us about this blocklisting. We
> >> > > > understand and share your concern regarding the recent listing of
> our
> >> > > > ASN with UCEPROTECT's Level 3 service. After researching the
> details
> >> > > > of
> >> > > > the listing, we have determined that the Level 3 service offered
> by
> >> > > > UCEPROTECT is not reputable, and we will not be paying for
> delisting
> >> > > > from their service.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > If you discovered this listing as a result of researching a
> bounced
> >> > > > email, can you please tell us the name of the mail provider which
> >> > > > rejected your mail? We have found that customers reaching out
> >> > > > regarding
> >> > > > this listing are really being rejected by internal RBLs of mail
> >> > > > providers, but are reaching out because the UCEPROTECT listing is
> the
> >> > > > only public service where they were able to find their IP address
> >> > > > listed. We can usually request delisting with most providers if
> >> > > > you're
> >> > > > able to provide us the following information:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > A copy of the 550 bounce code from the mail server
> >> > > > The domain name sending mail
> >> > > > Confirmation that SPF has been configured for the domain sending
> >> > > > mail
> >> > > >
> >> > > > We understand the importance of email deliverability and how it
> >> > > > impacts
> >> > > > our customers, which is why all Linode accounts created after
> >> > > > November
> >> > > > 2019 are incapable of sending any email by default:
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> https://www.linode.com/blog/linode/a-new-policy-to-help-fight-spa
> >> > > > m/
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Thank you in advance for providing the requested information.
> We’re
> >> > > > happy to work towards getting your Linode’s IP address removed
> from
> >> > > > any
> >> > > > blocklists that may be causing deliverability issues for your
> mail.
> >> > > > Please let us know if you have any questions, or if you need
> anything
> >> > > > else.
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>

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