If users took responsibility for verifying the source of the email then this 
would all be irrelevant. Case in point- protonmail doesnt seem to care about 
his emails presumably because we are supposed to be using public/private keys 
to verify messages instead of waiting for google to give the green light.

Relying on central services to verify someone's identity is definitely a 
problem, even if you don't see it.

But hey, at least we know what the problem is now so thats at least something.
-Ben

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-------- Original Message --------
On Jun 3, 2021, 5:31 PM, wes wrote:

> I think this is an ongoing topic and probably doesn't need to be closed.
> however you are welcome to use gmail's mute feature if you would like to
> stop seeing it.
>
> the footer was removed last week or so, as a test at tom's request. since
> then, I have seen emails from him flagged as spam, and also not flagged.
>
> decisions to flag or not are based on a scoring system. each indicator of
> email legitimacy is given a numerical value, and the scores from each
> factor found in a given email are added together. the email service
> provider sets a threshold of how high a score has to be to flag the email.
> different providers will have different factors they consider, and set
> their own threshold.
>
> using linode to send emails is definitely a problem, even if you don't see
> it.
>
> -wes
>
> On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:22 PM TomasK <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>> FYI
>>
>> This email has landed in my gmail inbox, not spam - perhaps it is time
>> to retire this super long thread - before enough people mark is as spam
>> - LOL.
>>
>> Maybe gmail-machines (yes it is Matrix reference) pays attention to
>> human replies and re-classifies ...
>>
>> Tomas
>>
>> On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 14:11 -0700, Tom wrote:
>> > > Hello,
>> >
>> > Thanks for reaching out to inform us about this blocklisting. We
>> > understand and share your concern regarding the recent listing of our
>> > ASN with UCEPROTECT's Level 3 service. After researching the details
>> > of
>> > the listing, we have determined that the Level 3 service offered by
>> > UCEPROTECT is not reputable, and we will not be paying for delisting
>> > from their service.
>> >
>> > If you discovered this listing as a result of researching a bounced
>> > email, can you please tell us the name of the mail provider which
>> > rejected your mail? We have found that customers reaching out
>> > regarding
>> > this listing are really being rejected by internal RBLs of mail
>> > providers, but are reaching out because the UCEPROTECT listing is the
>> > only public service where they were able to find their IP address
>> > listed. We can usually request delisting with most providers if
>> > you're
>> > able to provide us the following information:
>> >
>> > A copy of the 550 bounce code from the mail server
>> > The domain name sending mail
>> > Confirmation that SPF has been configured for the domain sending
>> > mail
>> >
>> > We understand the importance of email deliverability and how it
>> > impacts
>> > our customers, which is why all Linode accounts created after
>> > November
>> > 2019 are incapable of sending any email by default:
>> >
>> > https://www.linode.com/blog/linode/a-new-policy-to-help-fight-spa
>> > m/
>> >
>> > Thank you in advance for providing the requested information. We’re
>> > happy to work towards getting your Linode’s IP address removed from
>> > any
>> > blocklists that may be causing deliverability issues for your mail.
>> > Please let us know if you have any questions, or if you need anything
>> > else.
>>

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