This is particularly bizarre, as in my small enclave out in OKC OK I can see both sides of the conversation quite well. Too bad that more folks in this country cannot carry on like this, we would have a much different society. That aside, I do wonder why Ben cannot see Mike's responses.
Censorship, in my view even when it is supposedly to protect from this or that horrid concept or idea is a slippery slope that tends to always end up in a place none of us want to go to. Agree that many of us need to be more civil in our disagreements, but at the same time, it is evil that some entities can censor something just because it does not fit the narrative. I hope that this can be corrected, again if more of the folks in this country would try to disagree in a civil manner and we would all be winners. And at the same time bring to shame those who censor regardless of the theme. I remember the time when folks would say "I may not agree with what you say but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it". I fear we have lost that concept. Have a great time and above all ENJOY!! On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 5:09 PM Russell Senior <[email protected]> wrote: > What is particularly bizarre is that both you (Ben) and Mike are emailing > from protonmail. Maybe proton is filtering messages from proton addresses > that aren't delivered directly, but are mediated through a mailing list > reflector. > > -- > Russell Senior > [email protected] > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 11:33 PM Ben Koenig <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Not to derail someone else's conversation here, but I can't help but > point > > out the absurd circumstances surrounding this message. > > > > From my perspective, you have provided a very spirited response to what I > > can only guess was Mike's critique of your attitude towards censorship. > > Looks like he might have been trying to set the record straight, but of > > course I'll never know because I never saw his email show up on this > list. > > > > And, as it turns out after a quick review of PLUG's email archives, I've > > not received any of the emails he has sent to this list. If I wasn't the > > type of person who enjoys investigating discrepencies in a repeating > > pattern then I would probably just continue my life of blissful ignorance > > in a world where "MC_Sequoia <[email protected]>" does not exist, > > and "American Citizen <[email protected]>" is just some random > > internet weirdo who responds to imaginary messages. > > > > Funny isn't it, the conclusions we can come to when communication breaks > > down? I could assume that I'm being targeted for my anti-google views or > I > > could shrug it off as some minor technical mishap. Or I could assume > > nothing and send a message to the relevant support group and make it > their > > problem. Kind of sucks to be in that situation where I'm just stuck > between > > two organizations with no personal control over either. I am at the mercy > > of the PLUG List admins and Proton Mail support team. Yayyyyyyyy.... > > > > I just think it's amusing to see a conversation about censorship get > > "censored". Clearly someone doesn't want me to see Mike's opinions on > this > > subject. #SARCASM > > -Ben > > > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > > On Sunday, January 15th, 2023 at 7:21 PM, American Citizen < > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Hello Mike: > > > > > > My post has engendered quite a response. I appreciate that you are > > > willing to go through with a fine toothed comb to get to the bottom of > > > everything. > > > > > > I am willing to be corrected. I trust that what I have said does not > > > come over with a air of self-righteousness (or virtue signaling) > > > > > > I apologize and ask to retract my statement "force" inferring that COO > > > Michelle Zatlyn said that, as that is not true as you have pointed out. > > > Thank you for correcting this misstatement. Actually when I composed my > > > post, I thought I might be making a mistake here. > > > > > > Please listen to > > > > > > https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/wef/schwab-wants-a-digital-citizenship-to-use-the-internet/ > > > at 1 min 20 secs into this interview where Cloudflare COO Michelle > > > Zatlyn stumbled around saying "better digital citizenship" but she > wants > > > everyone in the world to embrace digital citizenship. This is pretty > > > plain from what she said. > > > > > > I am NOT unaware of the goals of the WEF community to establish the > > > digital citizenship requirements (see https://www.dqindex.org/en/) > > > > > > But I am NOT in favor of unelected people to have the final say so as > to > > > who is allowed to say so on the internet and who can be censored. I > > > trust that you agree with this. We need to have an open discussion > about > > > who we are allowing to have the final word and why we believe this. > > > > > > The past 2 or 3 weeks, I have carefully documenting censorship via the > > > major search engines and this is an alarming discovery which should > > > concern everyone on the planet. I did NOT ask to be censored from > > > certain websites, such as the United States Geological Survey, yet here > > > I am. And I did NOT ask certain topics on the search engines to be > > > censored, but this has occurred. > > > > > > We need to have free and open discussions, not be censored by some > > > entity based in the United Nations or elsewhere claiming that they have > > > the last word. This is assuming authority. > > > > > > I appreciate that you have taken the time to carefully respond. > > > > > > And I agree with you that trust begins with an honest intention to have > > > an open-minded discussion based upon facts, data and sound logic. > > > > > > Thank you for your post. It is appreciated by me. > > > > > > Randall > > > > > > -- Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. Ph 4:13 KJV Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. Fil 4:13 RVR1960
