it is probably time to move any further responses on the topic of censorship to plug-talk.
-wes On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 4:41 PM Chuck Hast <[email protected]> wrote: > This is particularly bizarre, as in my small enclave out in > OKC OK I can see both sides of the conversation quite > well. Too bad that more folks in this country cannot carry > on like this, we would have a much different society. That > aside, I do wonder why Ben cannot see Mike's responses. > > Censorship, in my view even when it is supposedly to protect > from this or that horrid concept or idea is a slippery slope > that tends to always end up in a place none of us want to > go to. Agree that many of us need to be more civil in our > disagreements, but at the same time, it is evil that some > entities can censor something just because it does not fit the > narrative. I hope that this can be corrected, again if more > of the folks in this country would try to disagree in a civil > manner and we would all be winners. And at the same time > bring to shame those who censor regardless of the theme. > > I remember the time when folks would say "I may not agree > with what you say but I will fight to the death to defend your > right to say it". I fear we have lost that concept. > > Have a great time and above all ENJOY!! > > On Mon, Jan 16, 2023 at 5:09 PM Russell Senior <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > What is particularly bizarre is that both you (Ben) and Mike are emailing > > from protonmail. Maybe proton is filtering messages from proton addresses > > that aren't delivered directly, but are mediated through a mailing list > > reflector. > > > > -- > > Russell Senior > > [email protected] > > > > On Sun, Jan 15, 2023 at 11:33 PM Ben Koenig <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > > Not to derail someone else's conversation here, but I can't help but > > point > > > out the absurd circumstances surrounding this message. > > > > > > From my perspective, you have provided a very spirited response to > what I > > > can only guess was Mike's critique of your attitude towards censorship. > > > Looks like he might have been trying to set the record straight, but of > > > course I'll never know because I never saw his email show up on this > > list. > > > > > > And, as it turns out after a quick review of PLUG's email archives, > I've > > > not received any of the emails he has sent to this list. If I wasn't > the > > > type of person who enjoys investigating discrepencies in a repeating > > > pattern then I would probably just continue my life of blissful > ignorance > > > in a world where "MC_Sequoia <[email protected]>" does not > exist, > > > and "American Citizen <[email protected]>" is just some random > > > internet weirdo who responds to imaginary messages. > > > > > > Funny isn't it, the conclusions we can come to when communication > breaks > > > down? I could assume that I'm being targeted for my anti-google views > or > > I > > > could shrug it off as some minor technical mishap. Or I could assume > > > nothing and send a message to the relevant support group and make it > > their > > > problem. Kind of sucks to be in that situation where I'm just stuck > > between > > > two organizations with no personal control over either. I am at the > mercy > > > of the PLUG List admins and Proton Mail support team. Yayyyyyyyy.... > > > > > > I just think it's amusing to see a conversation about censorship get > > > "censored". Clearly someone doesn't want me to see Mike's opinions on > > this > > > subject. #SARCASM > > > -Ben > > > > > > > > > ------- Original Message ------- > > > On Sunday, January 15th, 2023 at 7:21 PM, American Citizen < > > > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hello Mike: > > > > > > > > My post has engendered quite a response. I appreciate that you are > > > > willing to go through with a fine toothed comb to get to the bottom > of > > > > everything. > > > > > > > > I am willing to be corrected. I trust that what I have said does not > > > > come over with a air of self-righteousness (or virtue signaling) > > > > > > > > I apologize and ask to retract my statement "force" inferring that > COO > > > > Michelle Zatlyn said that, as that is not true as you have pointed > out. > > > > Thank you for correcting this misstatement. Actually when I composed > my > > > > post, I thought I might be making a mistake here. > > > > > > > > Please listen to > > > > > > > > > > https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/wef/schwab-wants-a-digital-citizenship-to-use-the-internet/ > > > > at 1 min 20 secs into this interview where Cloudflare COO Michelle > > > > Zatlyn stumbled around saying "better digital citizenship" but she > > wants > > > > everyone in the world to embrace digital citizenship. This is pretty > > > > plain from what she said. > > > > > > > > I am NOT unaware of the goals of the WEF community to establish the > > > > digital citizenship requirements (see https://www.dqindex.org/en/) > > > > > > > > But I am NOT in favor of unelected people to have the final say so as > > to > > > > who is allowed to say so on the internet and who can be censored. I > > > > trust that you agree with this. We need to have an open discussion > > about > > > > who we are allowing to have the final word and why we believe this. > > > > > > > > The past 2 or 3 weeks, I have carefully documenting censorship via > the > > > > major search engines and this is an alarming discovery which should > > > > concern everyone on the planet. I did NOT ask to be censored from > > > > certain websites, such as the United States Geological Survey, yet > here > > > > I am. And I did NOT ask certain topics on the search engines to be > > > > censored, but this has occurred. > > > > > > > > We need to have free and open discussions, not be censored by some > > > > entity based in the United Nations or elsewhere claiming that they > have > > > > the last word. This is assuming authority. > > > > > > > > I appreciate that you have taken the time to carefully respond. > > > > > > > > And I agree with you that trust begins with an honest intention to > have > > > > an open-minded discussion based upon facts, data and sound logic. > > > > > > > > Thank you for your post. It is appreciated by me. > > > > > > > > Randall > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Chuck Hast -- KP4DJT -- > I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me. > Ph 4:13 KJV > Todo lo puedo en Cristo que me fortalece. > Fil 4:13 RVR1960 >
