$5k dropped on some overseas programming group in India will get you a whole lotta translating!
Ted -----Original Message----- From: PLUG [mailto:plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of John Sechrest Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 5:34 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <plug@pdxlinux.org> Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?) I wonder how far you would get by asking Bard or chatgpt or one of the other AI things to translate Python 2 to current python.... On Mon, Jul 31, 2023 at 5:31 PM Ted Mittelstaedt <t...@portlandia-it.com> wrote: > > > a dead-end solution with a future of pain, fragility, and > >(probably) unpatched security vulnerabilities while people scramble > >to > find > and implement a solution (that may no >longer exist within even a > reasonable set of parameters). > > I feel compelled to point out that if people spent half the time > simply paying a software programmer to upgrade the codebase of these > projects that they spend complaining about the projects becoming dead > end, that they would have updated projects that work for a tenth of > the price that Micro$oft wants them to pay for windows versions of > things. > > How many hundreds if not thousands of wikis on the Internet that use > Moinmoin have ever just considered posting a message "We just upgraded > to Debian Bullseye and we get 10 compiler errors when attempting to > build Moinmoin on it. $5000 to the first person who fixes that and > produces a functioning binary, and feeds the changes back into the public > source" > > OR, how many of them have picked up a compiler and tried their hand at > fixing it themselves? > > Ted > > -----Original Message----- > From: PLUG [mailto:plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Paul > Heinlein > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 8:38 AM > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <plug@pdxlinux.org> > Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks > MediaWiki - why?) > > On Sun, 30 Jul 2023, Russell Senior wrote: > > > A slightly related story: Debian's wiki is moinmoin. Moinmoin v1.x > > is based on python 2. Python2 is (of course) deprecated and pretty > > much abandoned as of Debian Bullseye. It seems somewhat ironic that > > the wiki that proudly announces Debian 12 (bookworm) as of July 22, > > has to run Debian 10 (buster, i.e. oldoldstable) because that's the > > last version that supports python2 enough to run the wiki. > > > > > > https://u35970666.ct.sendgrid.net/ls/click?upn=TqJK0v-2BTL1dmkjS-2FZ > > RB > > wGRDG4t3PuCk88LFqqcTvyYGDJGeFNIjwU8pGkcA3tIrkXxPogHNGRue04tX0s41yELy > > VT > > 2kQTzNKeJ1a3JRIU5c-3DkyL0_VIYZ4N8dmyIPGy7Y8nsPO1q5dom4O0HMDO1WKXG4iy > > 6c > > RPYqUFHozao-2Fpbo-2BoZqOchXuKORABSzW180gWYBHeRPNrdK7edxBEXDVaeFmkWm4 > > xn > > UhizY9EOtln7Mj8LEiArb78-2BbHAD0AsaSTK9AWj1JB0cOk7hkn-2BvgslB0tXdYqMV > > 8B ZkiZeBlgfBwozTDycTSoXvNA4kNrtVykLP6PwQ-3D-3D > > > > I have a particularly acute awareness of this because Personal > > Telco's wiki also uses moinmoin, and it stopped working when I tried > > to update to Debian 11 (bullseye) about a year ago. We had a brief > > outage while I figured out what had gone wrong. > > This is a sadly familiar story. A high-level software package depends > on dozens, perhaps hundreds, of lower-level language runtimes, > libraries, and even utilities. One or more of those lower-level > packages gets deprecated, drops features, becomes orphaned, or simply > doesn't keep up with the rest of the dependency ecosystem. > > Voila -- a dead-end solution with a future of pain, fragility, and > (probably) unpatched security vulnerabilities while people scramble to > find and implement a solution (that may no longer exist within even a > reasonable set of parameters). > > I feel vaguely guilty every time I say it, but if computers were easy > I wouldn't have a job. > > -- > Paul Heinlein > heinl...@madboa.com > 45°22'48" N, 122°35'36" W > > -- -- [image: www.seattleangelconference.com] <http://www.seattleangelconference.com/> *JOHN SECHREST* *Founder, *Seattle Angel Conference TEL (541) 250-0844 EMAIL sechr...@seattleangel.com Schedule A Meeting <http://sechrest.youcanbookme.com/> http://seattleangelconference.com @nwangelconf An Investor driven event bringing together new investors and new entrepreneurs to expand the startup ecosystem.
