GTK2 abandonment caused problems for a number of small projects but you can still in general find libs for gtk2 on most of the larger distros.
$5k for "fixing" moinmoin is pretty fair I'd say. Version 2 is, after all, installable and runs. The maintainer says it's "unstable" but I have to wonder if that's really true. Sometimes that language is code for "it works but I don't want to spend time answering your RTFM questions and the community isn't large enough yet to do it" Ted -----Original Message----- From: PLUG [mailto:plug-boun...@pdxlinux.org] On Behalf Of Ben Koenig Sent: Monday, July 31, 2023 11:15 PM To: Portland Linux/Unix Group <plug@pdxlinux.org> Subject: Re: [PLUG] wikis breaking on updates (was: Re: Upgrage Breaks MediaWiki - why?) I wonder why WINE, FFMPEG, the Linux Kernel, all mainstream distros... - KDE - GNOME - XFCE - QT - GTK and many other projects DO NOT have this problem, despite all of them being infinitely more complex than a collection of python scripts. The longterm success and/or failure of any software project comes down to the maintainability of the codebase. Projects with good, clean codebases get more love because the cost of contributing is much lower. Given how many big projects use moinmoin I think it's safe to say that nobody has bothered to fix it because it's a hot fucking mess. FWIW... $5000 for a 2to3 conversion of moinmoin is a fucking insult to the developer who ends up doing all the work. But if Debian needs a modern system to run their moinmoin wiki I'd be happy to set them up with a Slackware 15.0 installation with python2.7. -Ben ------- Original Message ------- On Monday, July 31st, 2023 at 5:31 PM, Ted Mittelstaedt <t...@portlandia-it.com> wrote: > > a dead-end solution with a future of pain, fragility, and > > (probably) unpatched security vulnerabilities while people scramble > > to find > > and implement a solution (that may no >longer exist within even a > reasonable > > set of parameters). > > I feel compelled to point out that if people spent half the time > simply paying a software programmer to upgrade the codebase of these > projects that they spend complaining about the projects becoming dead > end, that they would have updated projects that work for a tenth of > the price that Micro$oft wants them to pay for windows versions of things. > > How many hundreds if not thousands of wikis on the Internet that use > Moinmoin have ever just considered posting a message "We just upgraded > to Debian Bullseye and we get 10 compiler errors when attempting to > build Moinmoin on it. $5000 to the first person who fixes that and > produces a functioning binary, and feeds the changes back into the public > source" > > OR, how many of them have picked up a compiler and tried their hand at > fixing it themselves? > > Ted >
