Remember when MTV actually played Music Videos, instead of Reality show BS? Remember when PLUG actually discussed Linux issues, before turning into BYUTV (or the 700 Club)? I miss the good old days :( > > >---- Original Message ---- >From: klsmith2...@yahoo.com >To: plug@plug.org >Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing? >Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 08:01:18 -0700 (PDT) > >> >>Tithing is old testament law. We are not under the law we are under >Grace. >> >>The New Testament believer is required to give not Tithe. >> >>Tithing was put in place to support the Levites who were the priests >and had no land. >> >>If someone tells you you must tithe, ask them for the scripture that >says so. >> >>------------------------ >> >>Keith Smith >> >>--- On Mon, 6/10/13, Joshua Marsh <jos...@themarshians.com> wrote: >> >>From: Joshua Marsh <jos...@themarshians.com> >>Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing? >>To: "Provo Linux Users Group" <plug@plug.org> >>Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 10:38 PM >> >>On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Nicholas Leippe <n...@leippe.com> >wrote: >> >>> >>> >http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/13/13262285-mormon-churc >h-earns-7-billion-a-year-from-tithing-analysis-indicates?lite >>> >>> If on average, as estimated, they take in $7 billion/year, and >have spent >>> in *total* since 1985 only $1.4 billion on charity relief, or $52 >>> million/year, that's less than 1% spending on charity. That >equates to the >>> least efficient charity organization on the planet. Good charities >can >>> achieve efficiencies of over 80%, a few even in the high 90%s. I'm >not >>> arguing that the LDS church is primarily a charity, obviously it >is >>> not--the numbers prove that. But with it's proclaimed "lay clergy" >(not >>> entirely true--but a drop in the bucket--at least we hope), you'd >hope a >>> lot more of that $7 billion/year could wind up back in the >communities from >>> whence it originated. >>> >>> >>I guess I can't speak for every ward of the church, but from my >experience >>these number are highly inaccurate. These estimates were a little >bit like >>doing a survey in Provo, Utah and concluding that Romney would be >the next >>president. The purpose of tithing is to support the goals of the >church. >>The $50m/yr figure you are quoting is related to fast offerings. >They are >>two funds that serve completely different purposes. If you lump them >>together, it looks bad, but so does thinking Romney would win off of >a poll >>taken in Provo. >> >> >> >>> My opinion of JS is from well documented historical facts--from >the >>> church's own archives--which are sufficient to demonstrate to any >>> reasonable, logical mind that he made a lot of stuff up and >behaved himself >>> very appallingly even to current LDS standards. But you believe as >you like >>> of course--it's your choice and I stand by your right to do so. >>> >>> >>You are using a lot of absolutes in this statement that I'm not >convinced >>you can back up. Nonetheless, the same could be said about just >about >>anyone with whom we look back upon with tinted glasses. I've been >reading >>about Abraham Lincoln and several of our founding fathers and many >of the >>things I read blow my mind. I have to step back and look at it in >the right >>frame of reference to make sense of it. >> >>/* >>PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net >>Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug >>Don't fear the penguin. >>*/ >> >>/* >>PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net >>Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug >>Don't fear the penguin. >>*/ >>
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