Who is "we"? To some, we *are* still under old testament law. To others, the old and new testament isn't even applicable. There a many in between.
On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 9:01 AM, keith smith <klsmith2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Tithing is old testament law. We are not under the law we are under Grace. > > The New Testament believer is required to give not Tithe. > > Tithing was put in place to support the Levites who were the priests and > had no land. > > If someone tells you you must tithe, ask them for the scripture that says > so. > > ------------------------ > > Keith Smith > > --- On Mon, 6/10/13, Joshua Marsh <jos...@themarshians.com> wrote: > > From: Joshua Marsh <jos...@themarshians.com> > Subject: Re: Did Ed Snowden do the right thing? > To: "Provo Linux Users Group" <plug@plug.org> > Date: Monday, June 10, 2013, 10:38 PM > > On Mon, Jun 10, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Nicholas Leippe <n...@leippe.com> wrote: > > > > > > http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/13/13262285-mormon-church-earns-7-billion-a-year-from-tithing-analysis-indicates?lite > > > > If on average, as estimated, they take in $7 billion/year, and have spent > > in *total* since 1985 only $1.4 billion on charity relief, or $52 > > million/year, that's less than 1% spending on charity. That equates to > the > > least efficient charity organization on the planet. Good charities can > > achieve efficiencies of over 80%, a few even in the high 90%s. I'm not > > arguing that the LDS church is primarily a charity, obviously it is > > not--the numbers prove that. But with it's proclaimed "lay clergy" (not > > entirely true--but a drop in the bucket--at least we hope), you'd hope a > > lot more of that $7 billion/year could wind up back in the communities > from > > whence it originated. > > > > > I guess I can't speak for every ward of the church, but from my experience > these number are highly inaccurate. These estimates were a little bit like > doing a survey in Provo, Utah and concluding that Romney would be the next > president. The purpose of tithing is to support the goals of the church. > The $50m/yr figure you are quoting is related to fast offerings. They are > two funds that serve completely different purposes. If you lump them > together, it looks bad, but so does thinking Romney would win off of a poll > taken in Provo. > > > > > My opinion of JS is from well documented historical facts--from the > > church's own archives--which are sufficient to demonstrate to any > > reasonable, logical mind that he made a lot of stuff up and behaved > himself > > very appallingly even to current LDS standards. But you believe as you > like > > of course--it's your choice and I stand by your right to do so. > > > > > You are using a lot of absolutes in this statement that I'm not convinced > you can back up. Nonetheless, the same could be said about just about > anyone with whom we look back upon with tinted glasses. I've been reading > about Abraham Lincoln and several of our founding fathers and many of the > things I read blow my mind. I have to step back and look at it in the right > frame of reference to make sense of it. > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ > > /* > PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net > Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug > Don't fear the penguin. > */ > /* PLUG: http://plug.org, #utah on irc.freenode.net Unsubscribe: http://plug.org/mailman/options/plug Don't fear the penguin. */
