Also I was thinking; the pings that you get BEFORE plugging in all the
wired stuff appear to be long. over 1000ms? That's a lot of time to reach
Google. And it starts out OK, but subsequent packets increase that latency.
I'm only getting 24 ms or so, and consistently. Admittedly I'm on fiber but
still - I'm curious if perhaps there IS an issue between your home and
Google that's just being *exacerbated* when you plug in the other stuff.
What does a traceroute look like both before and after plugging in wired
stuff? I'd be curious to see if perhaps the latency shows up inside of your
network or outside.

Riley
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On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 1:05 AM Jonathan Duncan <jonat...@bluesunhosting.com>
wrote:

> Pluggers,
>
> I consider myself a pretty smarty guy when it comes to keeping a network up
> and running, but recently, I have been having a difficult time figuring out
> where the problems lie in my Internet connectivity problems. Need some
> other eye on this.
>
> My first inclination is always to blame Comcast (my current ISP and the
> monopoly provider in my town). However, I am not yet convinced it is them.
> They currently provide me with a connection that is rated at "up to" 60Mbps
> down. (I know, not blazing fast.)
>
> - When I connect a machine directly to my modem (Arris SB6141), I get full
> speed (70+ down, 5+ up).
> - When I plug in my router (R7000), only one machine connected, also full
> speed.
> - When I turn on the wireless, 10 or so devices connect, nothing overly
> active (no streaming), also full speed.
> - I start adding in some of the wired devices (gaming machines, internet
> phone, media devices) I start seeing ping time jumping all over the place
> and even timing out. I would naturally expect some increases in latency as
> multiple machine come online and start using up some of the bandwidth, but
> ping times in excess of 1 second (sometimes even 3+ seconds) and even
> request timeouts, I do not expect.
>
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=480 ttl=53 time=40.792 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=481 ttl=53 time=38.482 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=482 ttl=53 time=39.145 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=483 ttl=53 time=253.197 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=484 ttl=53 time=396.841 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=485 ttl=53 time=564.304 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=486 ttl=53 time=827.045 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=487 ttl=53 time=975.489 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=488 ttl=53 time=990.361 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=489 ttl=53 time=994.714 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=490 ttl=53 time=991.633 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=491 ttl=53 time=991.545 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=492 ttl=53 time=955.479 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=493 ttl=53 time=951.906 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=494 ttl=53 time=772.042 ms
> Request timeout for icmp_seq 495
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=495 ttl=53 time=1021.809 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=496 ttl=53 time=1017.917 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=497 ttl=53 time=1021.218 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=498 ttl=53 time=289.421 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=499 ttl=53 time=41.352 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=500 ttl=53 time=372.632 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=501 ttl=53 time=363.949 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=502 ttl=53 time=313.215 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=503 ttl=53 time=435.189 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=504 ttl=53 time=93.229 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=505 ttl=53 time=323.441 ms
>
> When I get all my devices connected I start seeing ping responses like
> this:
>
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1079 ttl=53 time=43.187 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1080 ttl=53 time=41.130 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1081 ttl=53 time=38.914 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1082 ttl=53 time=40.470 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1083 ttl=53 time=38.809 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1084 ttl=53 time=39.203 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1085 ttl=53 time=40.279 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1086 ttl=53 time=46.982 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1087 ttl=53 time=52.701 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1088 ttl=53 time=883.421 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1089 ttl=53 time=58.761 ms
> Request timeout for icmp_seq 1091
> Request timeout for icmp_seq 1092
> Request timeout for icmp_seq 1093
> Request timeout for icmp_seq 1094
> Request timeout for icmp_seq 1095
> Request timeout for icmp_seq 1096
> Request timeout for icmp_seq 1097
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1090 ttl=53 time=8192.267 ms
> Request timeout for icmp_seq 1099
> Request timeout for icmp_seq 1100
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1091 ttl=53 time=10303.713 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1092 ttl=53 time=10042.261 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1093 ttl=53 time=9691.866 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1094 ttl=53 time=9785.860 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1095 ttl=53 time=8787.444 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1096 ttl=53 time=8433.983 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1097 ttl=53 time=7907.556 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1098 ttl=53 time=7974.695 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1099 ttl=53 time=8286.394 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1100 ttl=53 time=7392.542 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1101 ttl=53 time=6397.529 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1102 ttl=53 time=5400.966 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1103 ttl=53 time=4856.724 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1104 ttl=53 time=4226.401 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1105 ttl=53 time=3349.851 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1106 ttl=53 time=2515.119 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1107 ttl=53 time=2432.672 ms
> 64 bytes from 172.217.164.110: icmp_seq=1108 ttl=53 time=3284.466 ms
>
> Thinking that perhaps my router is not handling thing very well, I swapped
> it out with two other (older) routers that I have to see if there was any
> difference. They both seemed to perform similarly. This makes me think that
> either the routers are old and cannot handle the load. I would be concerned
> about the lack of MU-MIMO on my router except that the majority of the
> heavy hitters on the network are all wired. Sadly, none of my routers give
> me a good idea of which devices are using the most bandwidth. It is
> possible that I have some bad actors on the network.
>
> At full usage, my Internet connections are useless. Speedtests refuse to
> run, or if they do the numbers are ridiculous.
>
> I have considered that perhaps the modem may be old and getting saturated.
> I am looking for someone who might have an extra DOCSIS 3+ compatible cable
> modem I could borrow to test on my network.
>
> It could just be that my own network and devices are fine and than my
> connection with Comcast is just not robust enough. Perhaps I need to bite
> the bullet and fork out the dough for higher bandwidth.
>
> I am open to any ideas or suggestions at this point.
>
> Thanks,
> Jonathan
>
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