Regarding the credibility of UFO reports: Richard Dolan's UFOs and the National Security State contains hundreds of them, and most of them ring true to me -- they do not have the look and feel of fabrications. If you datamine them, you'll see the same patterns coming up repeatedly in reports from all over the world. Where there is this much smoke, there is probably fire. There is little sense in Dolan's survey of the evidence that any governments are in control of what is going on -- other than control of the cover-up and systematic ridicule of UFO eyewitnesses. The real action on UFOs has been buried deep inside the national security state, far out of the view of the general public.
So: ETs may be real AND certain parties at the highest levels of the national security state may also be playing ET memes in a manipulative way. Or, the most disturbing scenario: the highest levels of the national security state may be under the control of ETs. It all sounds very crazy, I know. But the universe may be a wild and crazy place. Now: if we were being visited by various species of ETs, with varying and conflicting agendas, and that are answerable to other parties and interests outside of our solar system whose intelligence vastly exceeds our own, then the conspiracy possibilities would break the minds of most human beings. Might as well just go with the flow and pretend everything is normal. Albert Underwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Agree with Sean's analysis of alien species, and Vigil's separation of aliens from UFOs is not necessarily the same phenomen. Haven't read Dolan, but will check him out on amazon. YOu wrote: >>very credible UFO sightings coming from all around the world, often from the >>most reliable of sources, and often supported by radar and photographic >>evidence. << UFO sightings are often composed of 'adjectival phrases,' an adjective-noun usage. In above, a source is credible or not, but it is not more or less credible. Credibility of source is a major problem in MSM; to cite merely as a 'credible source' is equivalent of citing an unnamed source with credibility well within the sphere of unpredictability. The radar and photo evidence are all quite capable of manipulation, and images are usually fuzzy, faraway, grainy, very 1960-ish. I haven't seen the source credibility in reports of UFOs to be able to ascertain if all available information is used when conclusions are drawn. A UFO sighting reported by a 'reliable source' in Bumfuk, Argentina, doesn't exactly inspire my confidence in the report. If the report would have said, 'the president of Argentina met today at noon in the town square with a representative of an alien race,' or similar event, I might find the report more believable because I know I can find corroborating reports all across MSM. It just hasn't happened. An axiom of source credibility is that a credible source must be visible (identified, named). Source credibility is damaged by other issues. Our educational system is loaded with zionists; why should we expect 'the truth' from intellectuals and 'experts'? If they can establish themselves as experts with awards and degrees with ease, why would a single 'expert' have any more believability or credibility than the results of a debate between Dershowitz and Finkelstein? Events have believability, credibility, and verifiability when observed directly. Information not observed directly is second-hand, and loses credibility and verifiability the further it is removed from it's source. >From Invisible Enemy: "Pre-propaganda promotes social disorder: crime, murders, rapes, robbery, and defenses of criminals over victims, and uses the legal system to promote ethnic and racial outrage. The Rodney King and O. J. Simpson trials of the 1990s are the now-classic examples of antisocial vehicles carrying the negative messages of race and sex. Equally destructive pre-propaganda are the ethnic themes of Nazi racial attitudes, victimization of Jews, Polish brutality and stupidity, Arab backwardness, violence on the part of Italians, and bigotry against the Irish that are regular features of print and cinematic media. Recognizing unfocused hatred as a spontaneous and common sentiment, pre-propaganda supports political propaganda each time it designates someone as the source of all misery. (Any tall tale will be believed once it enters into the passionate current of hatred the less educated and informed people to whom propaganda of agitation is addressed, the easier it is to make such propaganda .)15 Ellul refers to this as the propaganda of developed nations and characteristic of our civilization, which did not exist before the twentieth century. It is a propaganda of conformity.16 Abboud cites Jacques Ellul classic Propaganda. Check this link: http://www.voxpublishing.com/IE/TheMassMediaIE.pdf Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Some UFOs are probably top secret craft under the control of terrestrial governments and companies. But quite a few others have exhibited behavior that is well beyond the capabilities of earthly technologies, especially in the fifties and sixties. See Richard Dolan. I haven't read William Lyne. Vigilius Haufniensis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: whether we are or have been visited by extraterrestrials is a separate question from the UFO phenomenon. i think its plain that these craft are top secret military industrial atmosphere-to-space craft. i think they are also powered by what tesla called "starlight." has anyone read william lyne's material? ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean McBride To: political-research@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [political-research] Re: MJ12, UFOs and the FBI I've usually leaned to the belief (quite strongly) that the entire UFO meme is a psyop that, down the line, will be used to justify one bit of chicanery or another by power elites against humanity. But Richard Dolan's book made me wonder -- you should try reading it in its entirety. It may be one of the most important conspiracy books ever to come down the pike. Dolan's focus is on infighting within the American government -- especially within the military and intelligence communities -- about how to handle the flood of very credible UFO sightings coming from all around the world, often from the most reliable of sources, and often supported by radar and photographic evidence. As Dolan tells the tale, one senses authentic confusion and alarm in the government over UFOs, not a Machiavellian calm in foisting an elaborate hoax upon the public. Apparently the government, and the CIA in particular (which has been intensely interested in UFOs from its founding), decided in the early 1950s to put a lid on the UFO story for the public while intensively pursuing its investigation of UFOs in secrecy. The government was especially worried that letting out the truth about UFOs would lead to mass hysteria and social chaos, once the human race realized that its official authorities were absolutely powerless to deal with the phenomenon. I would be curious to get your take on Dolan's book. Theoretically, I have no problem believing that we might be being visited by alien species. The universe may be inhabited by millions of life forms and civilizations that are much more advanced than the human race in the year 2007. Taking into account the rapid evolution of our technology during the last 100 years, consider what we might be capable of in 1,000 years if we survive. What about civilizations that might be 10,000 years ahead of us in development? According to supposedly reliable inside government sources (some of whom have been interviewed by Project Disclosure), we are being visited by multiple species. Are they lying? Maybe. Simply dismissing UFO stories as nonsense may be a mistake. Consider how the human race has treated "lower" species over its lifetime. How might "higher" species treat us? As livestock? Sushi? Beasts of burden? Lab rats? tim_howells_1000 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Call me sceptical, but until I can be introduced to one of the "visitors" count me out on this one. It's a psyop all the way IMO. I notice that Dolan attributes the murder of James Forrestal to the great UFO coverup ... There just might be more terrestrial interpretations for that one. http://www.book-of-thoth.com/sections-viewarticle-33.html Tim Howells --- In political-research@yahoogroups.com, Sean McBride <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sent to you by Sean McBride via Google Reader: *MJ12*, *UFOs* and the > FBI via Google Blog Search: Majestic-12 OR MJ-12 UFO OR UFOs by unknown > on Apr 29, 2007 Amazingly, next month will mark the 20th anniversary of > the first public airing (in Timothy GoodâEURO(tm)s book Above Top > Secret) of > the so-called MJ12 documents that captured the imagination and > attention of the entire ufological field for ... > Things you can do from here: > - Visit the original item on Google Blog Search: Majestic-12 OR MJ-12 > UFO OR UFOs > - Subscribe to Google Blog Search: Majestic-12 OR MJ-12 UFO OR UFOs > using Google Reader > - Get started using Google Reader to easily keep up with all your > favorite sites > --------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/847 - Release Date: 6/12/2007 9:42 PM --------------------------------- Choose the right car based on your needs. Check out Yahoo! Autos new Car Finder tool.
