VT, This gets back to the basic problem that criminals generally do not use legal means to acquire handguns. Do you honestly believe this would have a significant impact on keeping handguns out of criminal's hands or just make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to legally purchase guns for benign purposes? (that's an honest question)
I do agree gun sales need to be tightly regulated, and loopholes are a bad thing, but trying to stop illegal guns thru legislation is like trying to stop the trade of alcohol thru prohibition. It isn't going to work. I don't have the answer, but then, I don't think McCain or Obama do either. On Sep 11, 2:32 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Here is a thought, start by closing the gun show loop hole? > > On Sep 11, 1:44 pm, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > VT, > > > Exactly HOW do you craft a bill that allows these weapons in the hands > > of law abiding citizens yet keeps it out of the hands of criminals? > > It's not like criminals abide by the laws and follow the legal process > > to purchase them. That's why the gun control crowd wants to make the > > weapons illegal, so law enforcement can shut down sales and confiscate > > any that they find. No one wants a crook to have a gun, but you can't > > pass laws that say it's OK to own one of these weapons unless you're a > > criminal. So what do you think Obama would propose in the way of > > legislation? > > > On Sep 11, 12:45 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > LMAO, I guess you are OK for inner city thugs to buy these guns to > > > commit crimes. Tell me if an individual has never hunted, has no > > > hunting license is not a member of a gun club or affiliated with the > > > military of police organization, why would they have a need for an > > > assault rifle? > > > > If the NRA was REALLY about gun control and safety, then NRA > > > would craft a bill that correctly addressed the illegal use of guns > > > that would PROTECT the legitimate gun owners. > > > > This however is yet another example of the all or nothing mentality > > > of the far right extremists. > > > > On Sep 11, 12:36 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Fairfax, Va. - At a rally in Lebanon, Virginia in front of a crowd of > > > > rural voters, Barack Obama made another one of his empty election-year > > > > promises not to take away shotguns, rifles or handguns if elected > > > > President. However, Obama's words on the campaign trail do not match > > > > his long record of opposing lawful gun ownership. > > > > > "NRA will not allow Barack Obama to revise history. That is why we > > > > will be sending this fact sheet of Obama votes to wherever hunters and > > > > gun owners congregate and to 4 million NRA members to share with their > > > > friends and neighbors." said Chris W. Cox, NRA's chief lobbyist. "He > > > > has supported bans on handguns and semi-automatic firearms, and he has > > > > voted to ban possession of many shotguns and rifles commonly used by > > > > hunters and sportsmen across America. And we will remind voters every > > > > single time he lies." > > > > > In 2003 while serving in the Illinois State Legislature, Obama voted > > > > in favor of a bill in the Judiciary Committee that would have made it > > > > illegal to "knowingly manufacture, deliver or possess" a so-called > > > > "semi-automatic assault weapons." Under this bill, a firearm did not > > > > actually have to be semi-automatic to be banned. According to > > > > definitions in the bill, all single-shot and double-barreled shotguns > > > > 28-gauge or larger, and many semi-automatic shotguns of the same size, > > > > would be banned as "assault weapons." This definition would have > > > > banned a large percentage of the shotguns used for hunting, target > > > > shooting and self-defense in the United States. The bill also would > > > > have banned hundreds of models of rifles and handguns. > > > > > Any Illinois resident who possessed one of these commonly used guns 90 > > > > days after the effective date would have had to "destroy the weapon or > > > > device, render it permanently inoperable, relinquish it to a law > > > > enforcement agency, or remove it from the state." Anyone who still > > > > possessed a banned gun would have been subject to a felony sentence. > > > > > "Obama may argue the bill was poorly drafted," said Cox. "But Barack > > > > Obama - who brags about being a constitutional law professor and the > > > > former president of the Harvard Law Review - voted for it. That's > > > > pathetic." > > > > > On Sep 11, 12:34 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > LMAO, you have a problem with the fact that Obama has > > > > > stances not made in concrete like Bush? > > > > > > That Obama allows room for compromise and his positions > > > > > are in the middle of the road, NOT as you say on the fence. > > > > > > That is the problem with the GOP, you are either with them > > > > > or against them and if you are against them then you are the enemy. > > > > > Absolute positions that allow for only confrontation. > > > > > > Maybe you haven't noticed, this policy hasn't worked for the last > > > > > 8 years? > > > > > > On Sep 11, 12:21 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > One line attack response do not address the major flip-flops or the > > > > > > major "sitting on the fence positions" by Obama... Specifically on > > > > > > guns... > > > > > > > Pretending Obama to be a strong leader with clear positions is > > > > > > folly... And that is the problem, Obama wants to be seen as a > > > > > > strong > > > > > > leader WITHOUT taking strong position pro or against... This is in > > > > > > part why Obama has refuse up to now to point to his "experience" in > > > > > > education reform from 1995-2000 in the CAC... > > > > > > > Then he worked with Bill Ayers and others to recentralize the power > > > > > > of > > > > > > the school board in Chicago after the decentralization of power in > > > > > > the > > > > > > 70's and 80's (which were "reforms" put in place by the LW of the > > > > > > Democratic party)... The CAC efforts were not very sucessful (some > > > > > > call them failures)... > > > > > > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/06/AR200... > > > > > > > >>> That leaves Obama unrevealed on the D.C. law. In response to my > > > > > > >>> inquiry about his specific position, Obama's campaign e-mailed > > > > > > >>> me a one-paragraph answer: Obama believes that while the > > > > > > >>> "Second Amendment creates an individual right, . . . he also > > > > > > >>> believes that the Constitution permits federal, state and local > > > > > > >>> government to adopt reasonable and common sense gun safety > > > > > > >>> measures." Though the paragraph is titled "Obama on the D.C. > > > > > > >>> Court case," that specific gun ban is never mentioned. I tried > > > > > > >>> again last week, without success, to learn Obama's position > > > > > > >>> before writing this column. > > > > > > > Obama's dance on gun rights is part of his evolution from the > > > > > > radical > > > > > > young Illinois state legislator he once was. He was recorded in a > > > > > > 1996 > > > > > > questionnaire as advocating a ban on the manufacture, sale and > > > > > > possession of handguns (a position he has since disavowed). He was > > > > > > on > > > > > > the board of the Chicago-based Joyce Foundation, which takes an > > > > > > aggressive gun control position, and in 2000 considered becoming its > > > > > > full-time president. In 2006, he voted with an 84 to 16 majority > > > > > > (and > > > > > > against Clinton) to prohibit confiscation of firearms during an > > > > > > emergency, but that is his only pro-gun vote in Springfield or > > > > > > Washington. The National Rifle Association grades his voting record > > > > > > (and Clinton's) an "F." > > > > > > > There is no anti-gun litmus test for Democrats. In 2006, Ted > > > > > > Strickland was elected governor of Ohio and Bob Casey U.S. senator > > > > > > from Pennsylvania with NRA grades of "A." Following their model, > > > > > > Obama > > > > > > talks about the rights of "Americans to protect their families." He > > > > > > has not yet stated whether that right should exist in Washington. > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 11:54 am, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I know you are stupid. > > > > > > > > Obama has stated he is against illegal > > > > > > > handguns or hand guns in the possession > > > > > > > of criminals. Law abiding citizens can keep > > > > > > > their guns. > > > > > > > > WHY do you list these dumb opinion pieces? > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 11:38 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/words_obama_will_re... > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
