alright, I guess a dose of reality for the libs, again. DC has had the strictest gun ban in the country, until the Supreme Court corrected that problem. and correct me if I am wrong, but hasn't DC been either the leader in homicides, or right there at the top. so how did that illegal ban work on eliminating crime? oh here, let me tell ya. It did absolutely nothing to stem the tide of crime. zip, zilch, zero.
On Sep 11, 3:53 pm, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > VT, > > This gets back to the basic problem that criminals generally do not > use legal means to acquire handguns. Do you honestly believe this > would have a significant impact on keeping handguns out of criminal's > hands or just make it more difficult for law abiding citizens to > legally purchase guns for benign purposes? (that's an honest question) > > I do agree gun sales need to be tightly regulated, and loopholes are a > bad thing, but trying to stop illegal guns thru legislation is like > trying to stop the trade of alcohol thru prohibition. It isn't going > to work. I don't have the answer, but then, I don't think McCain or > Obama do either. > > On Sep 11, 2:32 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Here is a thought, start by closing the gun show loop hole? > > > On Sep 11, 1:44 pm, frankg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > VT, > > > > Exactly HOW do you craft a bill that allows these weapons in the hands > > > of law abiding citizens yet keeps it out of the hands of criminals? > > > It's not like criminals abide by the laws and follow the legal process > > > to purchase them. That's why the gun control crowd wants to make the > > > weapons illegal, so law enforcement can shut down sales and confiscate > > > any that they find. No one wants a crook to have a gun, but you can't > > > pass laws that say it's OK to own one of these weapons unless you're a > > > criminal. So what do you think Obama would propose in the way of > > > legislation? > > > > On Sep 11, 12:45 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > LMAO, I guess you are OK for inner city thugs to buy these guns to > > > > commit crimes. Tell me if an individual has never hunted, has no > > > > hunting license is not a member of a gun club or affiliated with the > > > > military of police organization, why would they have a need for an > > > > assault rifle? > > > > > If the NRA was REALLY about gun control and safety, then NRA > > > > would craft a bill that correctly addressed the illegal use of guns > > > > that would PROTECT the legitimate gun owners. > > > > > This however is yet another example of the all or nothing mentality > > > > of the far right extremists. > > > > > On Sep 11, 12:36 pm, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Fairfax, Va. - At a rally in Lebanon, Virginia in front of a crowd of > > > > > rural voters, Barack Obama made another one of his empty election-year > > > > > promises not to take away shotguns, rifles or handguns if elected > > > > > President. However, Obama's words on the campaign trail do not match > > > > > his long record of opposing lawful gun ownership. > > > > > > "NRA will not allow Barack Obama to revise history. That is why we > > > > > will be sending this fact sheet of Obama votes to wherever hunters and > > > > > gun owners congregate and to 4 million NRA members to share with their > > > > > friends and neighbors." said Chris W. Cox, NRA's chief lobbyist. "He > > > > > has supported bans on handguns and semi-automatic firearms, and he has > > > > > voted to ban possession of many shotguns and rifles commonly used by > > > > > hunters and sportsmen across America. And we will remind voters every > > > > > single time he lies." > > > > > > In 2003 while serving in the Illinois State Legislature, Obama voted > > > > > in favor of a bill in the Judiciary Committee that would have made it > > > > > illegal to "knowingly manufacture, deliver or possess" a so-called > > > > > "semi-automatic assault weapons." Under this bill, a firearm did not > > > > > actually have to be semi-automatic to be banned. According to > > > > > definitions in the bill, all single-shot and double-barreled shotguns > > > > > 28-gauge or larger, and many semi-automatic shotguns of the same size, > > > > > would be banned as "assault weapons." This definition would have > > > > > banned a large percentage of the shotguns used for hunting, target > > > > > shooting and self-defense in the United States. The bill also would > > > > > have banned hundreds of models of rifles and handguns. > > > > > > Any Illinois resident who possessed one of these commonly used guns 90 > > > > > days after the effective date would have had to "destroy the weapon or > > > > > device, render it permanently inoperable, relinquish it to a law > > > > > enforcement agency, or remove it from the state." Anyone who still > > > > > possessed a banned gun would have been subject to a felony sentence. > > > > > > "Obama may argue the bill was poorly drafted," said Cox. "But Barack > > > > > Obama - who brags about being a constitutional law professor and the > > > > > former president of the Harvard Law Review - voted for it. That's > > > > > pathetic." > > > > > > On Sep 11, 12:34 pm, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > LMAO, you have a problem with the fact that Obama has > > > > > > stances not made in concrete like Bush? > > > > > > > That Obama allows room for compromise and his positions > > > > > > are in the middle of the road, NOT as you say on the fence. > > > > > > > That is the problem with the GOP, you are either with them > > > > > > or against them and if you are against them then you are the enemy. > > > > > > Absolute positions that allow for only confrontation. > > > > > > > Maybe you haven't noticed, this policy hasn't worked for the last > > > > > > 8 years? > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 12:21 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > One line attack response do not address the major flip-flops or > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > major "sitting on the fence positions" by Obama... Specifically > > > > > > > on > > > > > > > guns... > > > > > > > > Pretending Obama to be a strong leader with clear positions is > > > > > > > folly... And that is the problem, Obama wants to be seen as a > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > leader WITHOUT taking strong position pro or against... This is > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > part why Obama has refuse up to now to point to his "experience" > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > education reform from 1995-2000 in the CAC... > > > > > > > > Then he worked with Bill Ayers and others to recentralize the > > > > > > > power of > > > > > > > the school board in Chicago after the decentralization of power > > > > > > > in the > > > > > > > 70's and 80's (which were "reforms" put in place by the LW of the > > > > > > > Democratic party)... The CAC efforts were not very sucessful > > > > > > > (some > > > > > > > call them failures)... > > > > > > > >http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/06/AR200... > > > > > > > > >>> That leaves Obama unrevealed on the D.C. law. In response to > > > > > > > >>> my inquiry about his specific position, Obama's campaign > > > > > > > >>> e-mailed me a one-paragraph answer: Obama believes that while > > > > > > > >>> the "Second Amendment creates an individual right, . . . he > > > > > > > >>> also believes that the Constitution permits federal, state > > > > > > > >>> and local government to adopt reasonable and common sense gun > > > > > > > >>> safety measures." Though the paragraph is titled "Obama on > > > > > > > >>> the D.C. Court case," that specific gun ban is never > > > > > > > >>> mentioned. I tried again last week, without success, to learn > > > > > > > >>> Obama's position before writing this column. > > > > > > > > Obama's dance on gun rights is part of his evolution from the > > > > > > > radical > > > > > > > young Illinois state legislator he once was. He was recorded in a > > > > > > > 1996 > > > > > > > questionnaire as advocating a ban on the manufacture, sale and > > > > > > > possession of handguns (a position he has since disavowed). He > > > > > > > was on > > > > > > > the board of the Chicago-based Joyce Foundation, which takes an > > > > > > > aggressive gun control position, and in 2000 considered becoming > > > > > > > its > > > > > > > full-time president. In 2006, he voted with an 84 to 16 majority > > > > > > > (and > > > > > > > against Clinton) to prohibit confiscation of firearms during an > > > > > > > emergency, but that is his only pro-gun vote in Springfield or > > > > > > > Washington. The National Rifle Association grades his voting > > > > > > > record > > > > > > > (and Clinton's) an "F." > > > > > > > > There is no anti-gun litmus test for Democrats. In 2006, Ted > > > > > > > Strickland was elected governor of Ohio and Bob Casey U.S. senator > > > > > > > from Pennsylvania with NRA grades of "A." Following their model, > > > > > > > Obama > > > > > > > talks about the rights of "Americans to protect their families." > > > > > > > He > > > > > > > has not yet stated whether that right should exist in Washington. > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 11:54 am, VT Sean Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I know you are stupid. > > > > > > > > > Obama has stated he is against illegal > > > > > > > > handguns or hand guns in the possession > > > > > > > > of criminals. Law abiding citizens can keep > > > > > > > > their guns. > > > > > > > > > WHY do you list these dumb opinion pieces? > > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 11:38 am, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2008/09/words_obama_will_re... > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
