I think we are more concerned with how the Chemicals themselves can be used, and not the Shell, since the Chemicals are the "Killer"...
And yes, Binary Sarin is good for a LONG time... On Sep 11, 8:56 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gaar, > > Good boy. Now answer the question as to their condition and the > condition of the appropiate delivery systems. > > On Sep 11, 10:01 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > 500 of the type that were supposed to have been DESTROYED or NEVER > > MADE!!!! > > > They were Sarin and Mustard Gas, they didn't give the break down as to > > how many of each type... > > > On Sep 11, 7:59 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Gaar, > > > > 500 shells of specifically what type, in what sort of condition and in > > > what sort of condition were the appropiate delivery systems of said > > > shells? > > > > I don't NEED to try to "keep up", I have you to do it for me. > > > > On Sep 11, 8:07 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I believe one of the last Reports I saw said something like 500 Shells > > > > were found... > > > > > Again, try to keep up. > > > > > On Sep 11, 5:50 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Gaar, > > > > > > OH MY GOD, they had TWO?????? :-) > > > > > > On Sep 11, 6:11 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Nope, they discovered some with Mustard Gas as well... > > > > > > > Try to keep up holly. > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 2:41 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Gaar, > > > > > > > > A (as in one) 155mm shell containing Sarin gas????? > > > > > > > > On Sep 11, 1:43 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >http://mensnewsdaily.com/archive/m-n/mariani/2004/mariani052804.htm > > > > > > > > > The Sound of Silence: Iraq's WMDs Found > > > > > > > > > May 28, 2004 > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > by Joe Mariani > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > After spending more than a year attacking the Bush > > > > > > > > administration > > > > > > > > daily for their supposed failure to produce the WMDs that > > > > > > > > everyone -- > > > > > > > > including the United Nations, as well as most leading Democrats > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > believed Saddam had hidden, the Left has suddenly gone strangely > > > > > > > > silent on the subject. The "mainstream" media has been tiptoeing > > > > > > > > around the discovery of a 155-mm mortar shell containing Sarin > > > > > > > > gas in > > > > > > > > Iraq, the contents of which have been confirmed. The shell was > > > > > > > > used as > > > > > > > > part of an improvised explosive device (IED) on a road near the > > > > > > > > Baghdad International Airport, and exploded as it was being > > > > > > > > disarmed. > > > > > > > > > The shell contained three liters of Sarin -- nearly a gallon. > > > > > > > > It was a > > > > > > > > type of shell designed to mix chemical components during > > > > > > > > flight, which > > > > > > > > was why the explosion didn't kill anyone (though two soldiers > > > > > > > > were > > > > > > > > treated for exposure). Three liters of Sarin is enough, if the > > > > > > > > components are mixed properly, to realistically kill hundreds, > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > potentially thousands. A concentration of 100 milligrams of > > > > > > > > Sarin per > > > > > > > > cubic meter of air is enough to constitute a lethal dose for > > > > > > > > half the > > > > > > > > people breathing it within one minute. > > > > > > > > > This type of chemical warfare shell had never been declared by > > > > > > > > Iraq -- > > > > > > > > it was not even known that Iraq had ever made them. The 1999 > > > > > > > > UNSCOM > > > > > > > > report on Iraq reported that thirty binary/Sarin shells were > > > > > > > > known to > > > > > > > > exist, and stated that all had been accounted for. According to > > > > > > > > UNSCOM, "Iraq developed a crude type of binary munition, > > > > > > > > whereby the > > > > > > > > final mixing of the two precursors to the agent was done inside > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > munition just before delivery." Someone actually had to > > > > > > > > physically > > > > > > > > pour the components of the Sarin (or other type of G-series > > > > > > > > nerve > > > > > > > > agent) into the shells before they could be fired. At least, > > > > > > > > that's > > > > > > > > how the ones we knew about worked. > > > > > > > > > So, a previously-unknown type of artillery shell is found in > > > > > > > > Iraq, > > > > > > > > containing an actual, verifiable chemical weapon. This is front > > > > > > > > page > > > > > > > > news, right? Should we expect apologies from formerly doubting > > > > > > > > Liberals? Newspapers filled with retractions from prominent > > > > > > > > Democrats? > > > > > > > > Conciliatory visits to President Bush from Jaques Chirac and > > > > > > > > Gerhardt > > > > > > > > Schroeder? Not so fast. Remember: it's an election year. > > > > > > > > Liberals, > > > > > > > > Democrats, terrorists and appeasers all want President Bush to > > > > > > > > lose > > > > > > > > the election so everyone can get back to business as usual. > > > > > > > > Terrorists > > > > > > > > want to get back to their implacable war against Western > > > > > > > > civilisation, > > > > > > > > and the others want to get back to trying to placate them. The > > > > > > > > media, > > > > > > > > as long as we let them get away with it, will only run stories > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > attack President Bush and undermine support for him. In fact, > > > > > > > > Liberals > > > > > > > > already have their spin on this Sarin find ready to go. The vast > > > > > > > > majority of them -- when you can get them to admit that the > > > > > > > > Sarin and > > > > > > > > the shell are real -- argue that it doesn't matter for one of > > > > > > > > four > > > > > > > > "reasons." > > > > > > > > > A. The shell is old, from before the 1991 Gulf War, so it's not > > > > > > > > what > > > > > > > > we were looking for. > > > > > > > > > Since the cease-fire that suspended the Gulf War depended on > > > > > > > > Saddam's > > > > > > > > handing over to the UN "[a]ll chemical and biological weapons > > > > > > > > and all > > > > > > > > stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > research, development, support and manufacturing facilities", > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > shell is precisely what we were looking for, especially if it > > > > > > > > predates > > > > > > > > 1991. This shell and others like it is why the UN passed 17 > > > > > > > > resolutions demanding that Saddam disarm. No matter how old it > > > > > > > > was, it > > > > > > > > was still lethal. There is no statute of limitations on weapons > > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > mass destruction. > > > > > > > > > B. There is only one shell, not a stockpile, so it doesn't mean > > > > > > > > anything. > > > > > > > > > This one shell contained enough WMD material to potentially > > > > > > > > kill as > > > > > > > > many people as died on 9/11, all by itself. Is it logical to > > > > > > > > assume > > > > > > > > that this is the only one in existence -- or just wishful > > > > > > > > thinking? > > > > > > > > The fact is that we still don't know how much Sarin Iraq > > > > > > > > actually > > > > > > > > produced. "At first, Iraq told UNSCOM that it had produced an > > > > > > > > estimated 250 tons of tabun and 812 tons of sarin. In 1995, Iraq > > > > > > > > changed its estimates and reported it had produced only 210 > > > > > > > > tons of > > > > > > > > tabun and 790 tons of sarin." (Yes, that's tons.) At the very > > > > > > > > least, > > > > > > > > it tells us that we haven't nearly finished looking for the > > > > > > > > WMDs that > > > > > > > > Saddam was supposed to surrender, and didn't. Besides... a shell > > > > > > > > containing mustard gas was also found. Well, maybe there were > > > > > > > > only two > > > > > > > > WMD shells in all of Iraq. > > > > > > > > > C. Just because Saddam had WMDs after all, it doesn't mean Bush > > > > > > > > didn't > > > > > > > > lie about them. > > > > > > > > > As ridiculous as it sounds, this appears to be the instinctive, > > > > > > > > defensive reaction of many Liberals to this news. They so badly > > > > > > > > need > > > > > > > > to believe that President Bush lied in order to legitimise their > > > > > > > > hatred of him that they're capable of this sort of twisted > > > > > > > > reasoning. > > > > > > > > The rationale seems to be that WMDs don't count if they aren't > > > > > > > > exactly > > > > > > > > where the CIA told us they were, as if they couldn't be moved. > > > > > > > > > D. The terrorists didn't even know it was a chemical shell. > > > > > > > > > Well, they do now. And they know where they found it, too. > > > > > > > > > We need to redouble our efforts to stop the terrorists and find > > > > > > > > Saddam's WMDs, before they're used to derail the new Iraqi > > > > > > > > government's formation. The media's refusal to give this news > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > coverage it deserves can only be due to a calculated attempt to > > > > > > > > reduce > > > > > > > > American support for our efforts in Iraq, including that of > > > > > > > > tracking > > > > > > > > down Saddam's banned weapons. The Left's deliberate silence on > > > > > > > > this > > > > > > > > subject for the purpose of influencing our election only helps > > > > > > > > our > > > > > > > > enemies. > > > > > > > > > Joe Mariani > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > Joe Mariani is a computer consultant born and raised in New > > > > > > > > Jersey. He > > > > > > > > lives in Pennsylvania, where the gun laws are less restrictive > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > taxes are lower. 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