If the government gets out of the mortgage business, that occured because of no regulation on business, then the economy collapses, which it will anyway. So which is it? Regulation or sub-prime loans and enron.
Of course you overlook on essential reality, and that is government is run by business, or at the very lest they are in a reciprocal relationship to advance their own interests. One thing is certain they don't care how mush they screw the workers, thats not even on the agenda. On Sep 17, 1:24 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I have a solution; and.... it doesn't involve government. Name > one thing government does correctly. > > On Sep 16, 10:14 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > He gave his solution, I have question it, I have not received a direct > > answer to the specific question I have posed. That's what a debate is > > Gaar. Specifics aren't much appreciated are they? Tend to put a bit of > > a spanner in the works of a god story. > > > On Sep 17, 12:47 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > He already explained his solution... > > > > Try to keep up. > > > > On Sep 16, 7:37 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > You are the one with the brilliant thought, no doubt you have an > > > > equally brilliant solution. > > > > On Sep 17, 12:35 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Britain's health care system is a bloody catastrophe, talk to the > > > > > nurses and the doctors, I do. Shit rises to the top in private health. > > > > > More profits mean short cuts to compete with other private providers, > > > > > less staff older equipment, no accountability My partner is a 1st > > > > > class registered nurse she has witnessed tragedies directly linked to > > > > > privatization. > > > > > > Anyway, as I said its not the main issue in relation to your post,so > > > > > why not direct the major part of your response to the main issue, the > > > > > economy, just as I did when responding to your post? > > > > > > On Sep 17, 12:24 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Perhaps you should look at the governmental distribution of health > > > > > > care in Canada and the U.K. Government does nothing well. > > > > > > Privatization means competition and the rising of cream to the top. > > > > > > > On Sep 16, 9:20 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > I agree with your analysis completely, except about privatizing > > > > > > > Medicare and social security. Private health care has proved an > > > > > > > absolute disaster on the quality of health services that are > > > > > > > delivered > > > > > > > and directly related to hundreds of thousands of unnecessary > > > > > > > deaths > > > > > > > world wide. However this is a small issue in the scheme of things. > > > > > > > > Consumerism has replaced production as the main source of growth > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > the US that is true (70%). This scenario is repeated in all > > > > > > > industrialized nations, it is certainly the case here, in England, > > > > > > > France,Spain etc. Why has this happened, is the question you have > > > > > > > not > > > > > > > addressed. Where did the production base go, and why? > > > > > > > > We all know production went off shore, mainly to Asia, to exploit > > > > > > > cheap labor and maximize profits. > > > > > > > > In a deregulated economy you can't tell business where they can > > > > > > > operate, and they will continue to manufacture in Asia and have > > > > > > > their > > > > > > > aircraft maintenance carried out in Ecuador or Mexico etc. The > > > > > > > competitive nature of capitalism dictates these actions, if they > > > > > > > want > > > > > > > to remain profitable they simply cannot afford to have US workers > > > > > > > assembling their goods. And no government or individual party has > > > > > > > any > > > > > > > control or say in this global process, it would require heavy > > > > > > > regulation by all governments to change this natural course of > > > > > > > events > > > > > > > within a system centered around the drive for profit. > > > > > > > > The US knew this problem was festering since the early 90's, why > > > > > > > do > > > > > > > you think they are in the Middle East? > > > > > > > > On Sep 17, 10:38 am, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Without expression I accept Barack Yo Mamma’s wandering for a > > > > > > > > cogent > > > > > > > > thought and ambling for aptitude. I expect from him to prattle > > > > > > > > endlessly on the economy from a teleprompter like the > > > > > > > > totalitarian > > > > > > > > twit he is. I take for granted that he would get behind the > > > > > > > > latest > > > > > > > > populist novelty and co-op it as his own. > > > > > > > > > Yet, just when John McCain had me chasing the bandwagon, > > > > > > > > “thanks to > > > > > > > > his pick of Sarah Palin” he gets me off the wagon and back on > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > couch in just two days. The really sad part is, now that McCain > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > Palin parroting his communal rhetoric on the economy I no > > > > > > > > longer have > > > > > > > > those Sarah dreams. That my friend is change we can live > > > > > > > > without. > > > > > > > > Clearly neither candidate understands the economy and probably > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > trouble balancing the chewing of gum while walking. What they > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > counting on is the faint hope that you are as dumb as they are. > > > > > > > > Let’s > > > > > > > > hope that isn’t true. > > > > > > > > > While we have both candidates calling for massive new > > > > > > > > regulation of > > > > > > > > Wall Street a suspicion the American people have held for quite > > > > > > > > some > > > > > > > > time has been confirmed. We are surrounded by idiots and they > > > > > > > > want our > > > > > > > > vote. > > > > > > > > > Honest, even you tree hugging, Prius driving, protesting > > > > > > > > palliate > > > > > > > > pundits have to admit your candidate is nothing but a taxing > > > > > > > > teleprompter toad. I mean really; I lay you five to one there > > > > > > > > is a > > > > > > > > teleprompter on both sides of Michelle and Barry’s bed. The two > > > > > > > > times > > > > > > > > it broke down Michelle got pregnant. I’m just saying. > > > > > > > > > Let’s face it folks; the only person asking to be elected and > > > > > > > > having > > > > > > > > the experience to be voted for is Sarah Palin. At least she was > > > > > > > > an > > > > > > > > executive and has worked with budgets. What I find most > > > > > > > > disconcerting > > > > > > > > is to get her; I have to vote for the hunchback of halfwit. > > > > > > > > Someone needs to set down the messiah, the hair plugs for men > > > > > > > > candidate, the halfwit and the Bullwinkle babe and tell them > > > > > > > > what I am > > > > > > > > about to tell you. > > > > > > > > > A full 70% of our economy is based upon consumer spending; it’s > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > smoke and mirrors folks. We are borrowing our future from > > > > > > > > foreign > > > > > > > > countries. As soon as they figure out that we will never be > > > > > > > > able to > > > > > > > > pay them back we’ll be using dollars to build our tiny fires > > > > > > > > out in > > > > > > > > front of our foreclosed homes. > > > > > > > > > This next election will send a message to those creditor > > > > > > > > nations that > > > > > > > > have been financing our demise. We have $54 trillion dollars in > > > > > > > > unfunded entitlements from a gross domestic product of $14.4 > > > > > > > > trillion > > > > > > > > dollars. What will happen when we tell seasoned citizens that > > > > > > > > we don’t > > > > > > > > have the money for Medicare or Social Security? And, the money > > > > > > > > they > > > > > > > > paid in was spent by pork patronizing politicos. > > > > > > > > > To fix these problems will require a politician not wanting re- > > > > > > > > election. Someone, dare I say it, like a one term John McCain. > > > > > > > > But, it > > > > > > > > can’t be fixed with more regulation of Wall Street. Regulation > > > > > > > > is not > > > > > > > > the answer; it is a great deal of the problem. What is needed is > > > > > > > > accountability, no one is too big to fail and the government > > > > > > > > has to > > > > > > > > get out of the mortgage business. Social Security and Medicare > > > > > > > > need be > > > > > > > > privatized requiring a giant enema for our federal > > > > > > > > bureaucracies. Of > > > > > > > > course it’s going to be a mess; all enemas’ are. And, in the > > > > > > > > short > > > > > > > > term it’s going to hurt. But, there is only one way to un-band > > > > > > > > aid > > > > > > > > this monolithic wart that is bloated, corrupted government. Rip > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > damn thing off. > > > > > > > > Conservative Springfield 16 SEP 08- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
