Gaar,

OH MY DEAR SWEET GUD, please don't tell me I missed an episode of
Mythbusters?
How CAN i ever learn to forgive myself?

On Sep 22, 6:28 pm, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Obviously neither Frank nor holly have seen the Mythbuster episode
> where they "shoot" things in water...
>
> On Sep 22, 4:08 pm, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Frank,
>
> > I know your an Aussie, but the expression is "like shooting fish in a
> > barrel." Shooting flies in a barrel would actually be difficult. This
> > is not.  ;-)
>
> > On Sep 22, 5:11 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > Holly
> > > It's like shooting flies in a barrel
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> > > On Sep 23, 8:05 am, Hollywood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > jgg,
>
> > > > Hmmm, in 2005 we had a Republican in the White House and a Republican
> > > > controlled Congress. So let me get this straight, in 2005 the
> > > > Republicans were unwilling or not able to counter anything the
> > > > minority Democrats wished to do.
> > > >  But since Jan. 2007 the Republicans "can't get anything done" because
> > > > THEY are now a slim minority.
>
> > > > The only thing that seems to be consistent is Republicans can't get
> > > > anything done and it's ALWAYS the fault of someone else.
>
> > > > On Sep 22, 4:01 pm, jgg1000a <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > > > Democrats seek to deny responsibility, yet their fingerprints on all
> > > > > over the cause of the RE bubble...   Obama if honest would point
> > > > > partical blame THERE...  That he refuses to be honest, speaks volumes
> > > > > about his lack of zeal in being an honest reformer...
>
> > > > >http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aSKSoiNbnQY0
>
> > > > > >>> What happened next was extraordinary. For the first time in 
> > > > > >>> history, a serious Fannie and Freddie reform bill was passed by 
> > > > > >>> the Senate Banking Committee. The bill gave a regulator power to 
> > > > > >>> crack down, and would have required the companies to eliminate 
> > > > > >>> their investments in risky assets.
>
> > > > > Different World
>
> > > > > If that bill had become law, then the world today would be different.
> > > > > In 2005, 2006 and 2007, a blizzard of terrible mortgage paper
> > > > > fluttered out of the Fannie and Freddie clouds, burying many of our
> > > > > oldest and most venerable institutions. Without their checkbooks
> > > > > keeping the market liquid and buying up excess supply, the market
> > > > > would likely have not existed.
>
> > > > > But the bill didn't become law, for a simple reason: Democrats opposed
> > > > > it on a party-line vote in the committee, signaling that this would be
> > > > > a partisan issue. Republicans, tied in knots by the tight Democratic
> > > > > opposition, couldn't even get the Senate to vote on the matter.
>
> > > > > That such a reckless political stand could have been taken by the
> > > > > Democrats was obscene even then. Wallison wrote at the time: ``It is a
> > > > > classic case of socializing the risk while privatizing the profit. The
> > > > > Democrats and the few Republicans who oppose portfolio limitations
> > > > > could not possibly do so if their constituents understood what they
> > > > > were doing.''
>
> > > > > Mounds of Materials
>
> > > > > Now that the collapse has occurred, the roadblock built by Senate
> > > > > Democrats in 2005 is unforgivable. Many who opposed the bill
> > > > > doubtlessly did so for honorable reasons. Fannie and Freddie provided
> > > > > mounds of materials defending their practices. Perhaps some found
> > > > > their propaganda convincing.
>
> > > > > But we now know that many of the senators who protected Fannie and
> > > > > Freddie, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton and Christopher Dodd,
> > > > > have received mind-boggling levels of financial support from them over
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