Poor is not poor, and that is the point. The "Poor", in the U.S., Live in conditions that above average Citizens used to Live in just a few short Decades ago.
That is what YOU don't get. On Oct 5, 5:03 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And if that were the case, which it is not, how does that address the > financing of public services into the future? Who cares who is poorer, > poor is poor. The issue is do you advocate a redistribution of wealth > to pre 1980 levels or do you want a revolution. It's a simple choice. > If you impoverish the people long enough and send their kids to die in > a war in which they don't believe in, they will revolt. > > On Oct 6, 10:04 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > And yet... > > > The Poor in our Country Live in standards that the AVERAGE European > > does. > > > Imagine that. > > > Your ignorance notwithstanding. > > > On Oct 5, 3:35 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > The fact that the poor and elderly constitute the biggest budgetary > > > expense is of no relevance when considering their standard of living. > > > The pensions they receive are not equivalent to poverty line wages, > > > they are an insult. > > > > There is a problem in that Medicaid, medicare and social welfare are > > > increasing at a rate that funds will be exhausted by about 2040. The > > > problem isn't the programs it is the lack of taxation contributions > > > from the wealthy. The top tax rate for business used to be 70%, now it > > > is the 35% and with the tax breaks passed by the bush administration, > > > 66% of business pay little or no tax at all. > > > > Because of these policies you have the situation where the top 10% of > > > society has 90% of all wealth and the poorest 40% has 0.2% and the top > > > 1% owes more than the bottom 90% > > > > The poor are not the problem, the distribution of the wealth is the > > > problem. The high tax rates of big business are what underpinned the > > > American Dream. If a business is collecting the combined surplus value > > > of thousands of workers it has to plough a considerable amount back > > > into society in the form of taxes to ensure social harmony. Extremes > > > of wealth polarization are incompatible with democratic norms.I know > > > you oppose such measures but this is the result. Either wealth > > > distribution is undertaken or you will have revolution on your hands. > > > Of course I am banking on the latter. > > > > On Oct 6, 8:29 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Funny, isn't it? > > > > > You rail on about how bad the Poor have it, and how much Debt we > > > > have... > > > > > Yet the Single biggest expenditure in our Budget is to the Poor and > > > > Elderly. > > > > > Imagine that, we take care of our Poor and Elderly first and foremost. > > > > > No wonder you can't get them to Revolt. > > > > > On Oct 5, 2:18 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Your debt is double what it was in 1929, and 5.5 million families were > > > > > not about to loose their homes and you won the war, you are loosing > > > > > this one, in-fact it has gone on longer than WWII and the population > > > > > do not support it. The US is screwed big time. > > > > > > On Oct 6, 8:04 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > The point is, that the last time we were this indebted was during > > > > > > and > > > > > > directly after a time of War... > > > > > > > And we are currently at War. > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 1:48 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > What's the point Gaar? It paints a very negative picture of US > > > > > > > debt > > > > > > > excluding war funding, and another 5.5 million home defaults to > > > > > > > come. > > > > > > > Instead of just throwing data about, read what your own financial > > > > > > > experts are saying on Bloomberg's, they are convinced of a deep > > > > > > > prolonged recession. > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 7:25 am, Gaar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_public_debt > > > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 12:06 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > You should avoid paying taxes, as it the working class that > > > > > > > > > support > > > > > > > > > the wealthy, which you see very clearly in relation to the > > > > > > > > > acquisition > > > > > > > > > of public funds to bail out the parasites on Wall St. > > > > > > > > > > The fact that you are having credit cards shoved down your > > > > > > > > > throat in > > > > > > > > > the middle of a credit crisis has its own logic based in the > > > > > > > > > contradictions of capitalism which you will start to notice > > > > > > > > > occur on > > > > > > > > > all sorts of levels and you don't have to be an account to > > > > > > > > > work it > > > > > > > > > out. > > > > > > > > > > No matter how bad the financial situation is, the banks must > > > > > > > > > lend out > > > > > > > > > money, that is how they make their profits. So the fact that > > > > > > > > > they are > > > > > > > > > in trouble makes it even more imperative to do more business > > > > > > > > > to create > > > > > > > > > profits and generate liquidity. Of course with Americans in > > > > > > > > > record > > > > > > > > > debt and the proliferation of job loses and housing defaults, > > > > > > > > > it is a > > > > > > > > > practice that is bound to backfire, but they have no other > > > > > > > > > choice. > > > > > > > > > > Markets and resources are finite, yet capitalism requires the > > > > > > > > > never > > > > > > > > > ending expansion of capital, this is just not possible and > > > > > > > > > this crisis > > > > > > > > > is the result. > > > > > > > > > > Out of interest in 1929 the US debt was 150% of GDP, now it > > > > > > > > > is 300%. > > > > > > > > > About 1,000,000 housing defaults have occurred so far, while > > > > > > > > > another > > > > > > > > > 5,000,000 are expected in the next 2 to 3 years. Puts things > > > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > > > perspective a bit doesn't it? > > > > > > > > > > Regarding a Wall St police, the government and Big Business > > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > intertwined to a degree when it is impossible to know where > > > > > > > > > one ends > > > > > > > > > and the other begins. Together they consciously rob the > > > > > > > > > American > > > > > > > > > worker blind. The average congressman is worth $3.9 million, > > > > > > > > > the only > > > > > > > > > new police force the US public will see is the Nazi brown > > > > > > > > > shirts, > > > > > > > > > which are in training as we speak in the guise of Northcom. > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 6, 12:49 am, margareth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Do you think tha t the IRS will pay each of us for > > > > > > > > > > reporting him? Fat > > > > > > > > > > chance. I avoid taxes the way that rich people do. I make > > > > > > > > > > income > > > > > > > > > > disappear...and hopefully into good investments. I think > > > > > > > > > > that all the > > > > > > > > > > politicians have frauded many of the taxpayers. Through > > > > > > > > > > thist past > > > > > > > > > > week, I have had three calls from credit card companies > > > > > > > > > > offering to > > > > > > > > > > lend me money, so, unless you are an accountant, it is > > > > > > > > > > difficult to > > > > > > > > > > understand what has been happening. What really needs to > > > > > > > > > > happen now, > > > > > > > > > > is that there would be a police force on Wall street. > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 4, 10:17 pm, Frank <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see how stupid this post is. 66% of business pays > > > > > > > > > > > little or no > > > > > > > > > > > tax according to the US government. > > > > > > > > > > > > The richest 1% of Americans own more wealth than the > > > > > > > > > > > bottom 90% > > > > > > > > > > > > The poorest 40% own just 0.2% of total wealth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Any idiot can see, and granted Mark is not just any > > > > > > > > > > > ordinary idiot, > > > > > > > > > > > that the problem within the economy is that the rich have > > > > > > > > > > > hoarded > > > > > > > > > > > everything for themselves while blaming the most > > > > > > > > > > > impovershed layers > > > > > > > > > > > for the economic crisis, while they live in obscene > > > > > > > > > > > wealth. This > > > > > > > > > > > commonly know as blaming the victim. > > > > > > > > > > > > The only defense of such actions can come from the most > > > > > > > > > > > ignorant > > > > > > > > > > > sections of conservative politics, who defend the > > > > > > > > > > > "American > > > > > > > > > > > Nightmare", built on death and barbarism > > > > > > > > > > > > On Oct 5, 5:21 am, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Talk radio icon Rush Limbaugh is warning Americans > > > > > > > > > > > > about the 30 > > > > > > > > > > > > percent of the people in the country who pay no federal > > > > > > > > > > > > income taxes, > > > > > > > > > > > > because they will forever be in favor of higher taxes > > > > > > > > > > > > on everyone > > > > > > > > > > > > else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Limbaugh quoted extensively on his program today from > > > > > > > > > > > > an op-ed by Brad > > > > > > > > > > > > O'Leary, author of "The Audacity of Deceit: Barack > > > > > > > > > > > > Obama's War on > > > > > > > > > > > > American Values." > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The Audacity of Deceit", released by WND Books, has > > > > > > > > > > > > hit the nation's > > > > > > > > > > > > largest bookstores in a head-to-head clash with Obama's > > > > > > > > > > > > release of his > > > > > > > > > > > > campaign book, "Change We Can Believe In." > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eric M. Jackson, president of WND books, says it will > > > > > > > > > > > > "shed new light > > > > > > > > > > > > on a public figure who's enjoyed a meteoric rise with > > > > > > > > > > > > little > > > > > > > > > > > > scrutiny." > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The greatest find, the greatest discovery in the > > > > > > > > > > > > political world is a > > > > > > > > > > > > new voting bloc, and his book and his research here is > > > > > > > > > > > > targeted at > > > > > > > > > > > > proving that Obama's big voting bloc is the 30 > > > > > > > > > > > > percent-plus of > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans who pay no income taxes," Limbaugh said. > > > > > > > > > > > > "These people get > > > > > > > > > > > > polled a lot, they are played to constantly, and they > > > > > > > > > > > > are all for ever > > > > > > > > > > > > higher taxes on everybody else 'cause it means more for > > > > > > > > > > > > them, in their > > > > > > > > > > > > own version of 'trickle down.'" > > > > > > > > > > > > > Citing the article's title, "Forgotten Foot Soldiers In > > > > > > > > > > > > War On > > > > > > > > > > > > Success," Limbaugh said, "That's exactly what the > > > > > > > > > > > > Democrats are > > > > > > > > > > > > waging." > > > > > > > > > > > > > Limbaugh quoted from O'Leary: "When writing my latest > > > > > > > > > > > > book, 'The > > > > > > > > > > > > Audacity of Deceit: Barack Obama's War on American > > > > > > > > > > > > Values,' I > > > > > > > > > > > > discovered a relatively unknown constituency: the 30 > > > > > > > > > > > > percent of > > > > > > > > > > > > American voters > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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