On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 12:45:30 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > No fear here Plain Ol', just observations and laughter. > > > > On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> go and preach this to your Islamist peeps. >> --- >> I don't have any islamist peeps. >> >> >> Americans are tired of Anti-American rhetoric >> --- >> then stop attacking other nations for non-American interests. >> the US interventionist policy creates anti-American rhetoric and >> terrorists. >> >> >> and the Obamaesque/Isolationist position of weakness. >> --- >> you fear has been noted again. >> blessed are the peacemakers. >> >> No one is clamoring for the American military to jump into the fray with >> military, but why we haven't at least attacked the massive convoys of >> American military trucks, guns and equipment heading to Syria from Iraq by >> ISIS is beyond most rational thinking Americans. >> --- >> Americans are not responsible for Iraq's security. >> fund and fight your own wars for oil, power and israel. >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_exceptionalism >> >> >> >> Even Ron Paul and Rand Paul are baffled. >> --- >> they are both zionists. >> >> >> >> >> >> On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 11:47:28 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >>> Again, go and preach this to your Islamist peeps. Americans are tired >>> of Anti-American rhetoric and the Obamaesque/Isolationist position of >>> weakness. >>> >>> No one is clamoring for the American military to jump into the fray with >>> military, but why we haven't at least attacked the massive convoys of >>> American military trucks, guns and equipment heading to Syria from Iraq by >>> ISIS is beyond most rational thinking Americans. Even Ron Paul and Rand >>> Paul are baffled. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 9:55 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> First, an Islamist state would pose a grave security threat to the >>>> United States and other Western nations. >>>> --- >>>> opinion noted ... not shared. >>>> >>>> The Al Qaeda-linked Islamic State of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has already >>>> seized much of the northern part of the country and is moving toward >>>> Baghdad. >>>> --- >>>> not an American concern. >>>> >>>> ISIS could use Iraq and Syria as a springboard for terrorist attacks >>>> abroad, just as al Qaeda used Taliban-controlled Afghanistan as a base for >>>> its 9/11 attacks. >>>> --- >>>> retaliation due to US intervention and destabilization efforts for >>>> cheaper oil and israel. >>>> >>>> Second, the turmoil could derail the U.S. economic recovery if Iraqi >>>> oil production plummets. Oil prices might skyrocket, which would then kill >>>> the recovery and even cause a recession. >>>> --- >>>> pay the market price or be an underhanded thief. Your choice. >>>> >>>> Third, the crisis, a U.S. foreign policy debacle, might damage American >>>> prestige. >>>> --- >>>> yeah ... American exceptionalism and imperialism so prestigious. >>>> >>>> The United States spent enormous sums in Iraq. >>>> --- >>>> we know who promoted it and why. >>>> >>>> The Obama administration pulled out of the country in 2011, apparently >>>> thinking Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki could handle the situation. >>>> Turns out it was wrong. If Iraq collapses, "it would arguably be one of >>>> the >>>> worst foreign policy disasters in the history of the country," The Times >>>> notes. >>>> --- >>>> hogwash. >>>> Americans do not owe Iraq security and our tax dollars shouldn't be >>>> rebuilding that shit hole. >>>> fund your own wars for non-US interests. >>>> >>>> Fourth, the conflict might damage military morale. More than 4,400 >>>> Americans died fighting in Iraq and almost 32,000 were injured, many >>>> seriously, The Times reports, citing Pentagon figures. One in five >>>> soldiers >>>> has post-traumatic stress disorder. American veterans could become >>>> dejected >>>> and angry if they believe their efforts were done for nothing. >>>> --- >>>> not nothing ... war profits and imperialism. >>>> they had a choice. >>>> >>>> Finally, the war might frighten financial markets, sending stocks >>>> tumbling, especially if the war spreads. >>>> --- >>>> fear tactics only work on those who drink the kool aid. >>>> >>>> Shiite Muslim Iran may enter the war to oppose the Sunni ISIS, and the >>>> conflict could cause a humanitarian crisis, as huge numbers of refugees >>>> attempt to flee the violence. >>>> --- >>>> not an American concern. >>>> but warmongers are licking their chops and stackin' paper. >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:12:48 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> http://www.moneynews.com/StreetTalk/Iraq-United-States-oil- >>>>> collapse/2014/06/16/id/577316/?ns_mail_uid=1469942&ns_mail_ >>>>> job=1573491_06172014&promo_code=1bni16sd >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Fiscal Times: The Collapse of Iraq Could Impact America >>>>> >>>>> Tuesday, 17 Jun 2014 07:20 AM >>>>> >>>>> By Michael Kling >>>>> >>>>> Civil war in Iraq could hurt the United States in several ways. >>>>> >>>>> In fact, *The Fiscal Times* >>>>> <http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Articles/2014/06/15/How-Collapse-Iraq-Would-Affect-America> >>>>> >>>>> lists five ways the collapse of Iraq could hurt the United States. >>>>> >>>>> First, an Islamist state would pose a grave security threat to the >>>>> United States and other Western nations. The Al Qaeda-linked Islamic >>>>> State >>>>> of Iraq and Syria (ISIS) has already seized much of the northern part of >>>>> the country and is moving toward Baghdad. >>>>> >>>>> <https://w3.newsmax.com/LP/Finance/TDM/TDM-Absolute-Financial?promo_code=1bni16sd> >>>>> ISIS could use Iraq and Syria as a springboard for terrorist attacks >>>>> abroad, just as al Qaeda used Taliban-controlled Afghanistan as a base >>>>> for >>>>> its 9/11 attacks. >>>>> >>>>> Second, the turmoil could derail the U.S. economic recovery if Iraqi >>>>> oil production plummets. Oil prices might skyrocket, which would then >>>>> kill >>>>> the recovery and even cause a recession. >>>>> >>>>> Third, the crisis, a U.S. foreign policy debacle, might damage >>>>> American prestige. The United States spent enormous sums in Iraq. The >>>>> Obama >>>>> administration pulled out of the country in 2011, apparently thinking >>>>> Iraqi >>>>> Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki could handle the situation. Turns out it >>>>> was >>>>> wrong. If Iraq collapses, "it would arguably be one of the worst foreign >>>>> policy disasters in the history of the country," The Times notes. >>>>> >>>>> Fourth, the conflict might damage military morale. More than 4,400 >>>>> Americans died fighting in Iraq and almost 32,000 were injured, many >>>>> seriously, The Times reports, citing Pentagon figures. One in five >>>>> soldiers >>>>> has post-traumatic stress disorder. American veterans could become >>>>> dejected >>>>> and angry if they believe their efforts were done for nothing. >>>>> >>>>> Finally, the war might frighten financial markets, sending stocks >>>>> tumbling, especially if the war spreads. Shiite Muslim Iran may enter the >>>>> war to oppose the Sunni ISIS, and the conflict could cause a humanitarian >>>>> crisis, as huge numbers of refugees attempt to flee the violence. >>>>> >>>>> Other observers worry that the war could squash the economic recovery. >>>>> >>>>> Iraq's oil minister has said oil wells are safe in the >>>>> Shiite-dominated areas in the south, and Saudi Arabia officials said they >>>>> could compensate for a drop in Iraqi production if needed, *The >>>>> Telegraph* >>>>> <http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/10893255/Iraq-oil-shock-could-kill-world-economic-recovery-experts-warn.html> >>>>> >>>>> reports. >>>>> >>>>> Still, many experts remain worried. >>>>> >>>>> "The worst-case scenario is that we see production from Iraq slip down >>>>> to levels in the last Gulf war, then oil could spike $20 a barrel very >>>>> quickly," Ole Hansen, head of commodity strategy at Saxo Bank, tells The >>>>> Telegraph. >>>>> >>>>> "In that scenario, the entire economic recovery, which is still >>>>> fragile, could stall, and we could even slip back into recession in some >>>>> regions." >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> __._,_.___ >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> Posted by: "Beowulf" <[email protected]> >>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Visit Your Group >>>>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmMnUyaWRiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0MDMwMzE0NTQ-> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: Yahoo! 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