Good Morning MJ, You are correct! I won't waste any more time on anything else that you write. You can't fix stupid......
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 10:34 AM, KeithInTampa <[email protected]> wrote: > I think that we had two threads going on the same subject matter at the > same time, during this era. At any rate, here is an excellent post from > Mark "The Annointed One" > > > On Friday, October 29, 2010 9:52:28 PM UTC-4, THE ANNOINTED ONE wrote: > >> The text of the ORIGINAL immigration law: >> >> >> http://library.uwb.edu/guides/USimmigration/3%20stat%20488.pdf >> >> >> Early records relating to immigration originated in regional >> customhouses. The U.S. Customs Service conducted its business by >> designating collection districts. Each district had a headquarters port >> with a customhouse and a collector of customs, the chief officer of the >> district. >> >> An act of March 2, 1819 (3 Stat. 489) required the captain or master of a >> vessel arriving at a port in the United States or any of its territories >> from a foreign country to submit a list of passengers to the collector of >> customs, beginning January 1, 1820. The act also required that the >> collector submit a quarterly report or abstract, consisting of copies of >> these passenger lists, to the Secretary of State, who was required to >> submit such information at each session of Congress. After 1874, collectors >> forwarded only statistical reports to the Treasury Department. The lists >> themselves were retained by the collector of customs. Customs records were >> maintained primarily for statistical purposes. >> >> On August 3, 1882, Congress passed the first Federal law regulating >> immigration (22 Stat. 214-215); the Secretary of the Treasury had general >> supervision over it between 1882 and 1891. The Office of Superintendent of >> Immigration in the Department of the Treasury was established under an act >> of March 3, 1891 (26 Stat. 1085), and was later designated a bureau in 1895 >> with responsibility for administering the alien contract-labor laws. In >> 1900 administration of the Chinese-exclusion laws was added. Initially the >> Bureau retained the same administrative structure of ports of entry that >> the Customs Service had used. By the turn of the century it began to >> designate its own immigration districts, the numbers and boundaries of >> which changed over the years. >> >> In 1903 the Bureau became part of the Department of Commerce and Labor; >> its name was changed to the Bureau of Immigration and Naturalization when >> functions relating to naturalization were added in 1906. In 1933 the >> functions were transferred to the Department of Labor and became the >> responsibility of the newly formed Immigration and Naturalization Service >> (INS). Under President Roosevelt's Reorganization Plan V of 1940, the INS >> was moved to the Department of Justice. The INS was abolished, and its >> immigration and naturalization recordkeeping functions were transferred to >> the new Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services within the new >> Department of Homeland Security, established January 24, 2003, by the >> Homeland Security Act of 2002 (116 Stat. 2135, 2205). >> >> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:49 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> (Hey Jonathan! I replied to your message, in the other thread >>> captioned: "Constitutional Protections Against The Invasion of Illegal >>> Aliens" >>> >>> Good to see ya! Have a great weekend! >>> >>> Keith >>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Jonathan Ashley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Keith, >>>> >>>> You are stretching the definition of "invasion" beyond belief. >>>> >>>> 1828 definition: >>>> >>>> *INVASION*, n. s as z. [L. invasio, from invado. See Invade.] >>>> 1. A hostile entrance into the possessions of another; particularly, >>>> the entrance of a hostile army into a country for the purpose of conquest >>>> or plunder, or the attack of a military force. The north of England and >>>> south of Scotland were for centuries subject to invasion, each from the >>>> other. The invasion of England by William the Norman, was in 1066. 2. >>>> An attack on the rights of another; infringement or violation. 3. >>>> Attack of a disease; as the invasion of the plague, in Egypt. >>>> >>>> However, in re-reading the Constitution, I did find the following in >>>> Article I, Section 9: >>>> >>>> "The Migration or Importation of such Persons as any of the States now >>>> existing shall think proper to admit, shall not be prohibited by the >>>> Congress prior to the Year one thousand eight hundred and eight, but a tax >>>> or duty may be imposed on such Importation, not exceeding ten dollars for >>>> each Person." >>>> >>>> So it appears the Supreme Court was correct in 1875. I stand corrected. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 10/29/2010 4:09 PM, Keith In Tampa wrote: >>>> >>>> I don't know how it is that you think the Constitution doesn't address >>>> this. The Constitution most certainly does address Immigration, and >>>> illegal immigration! >>>> >>>> It's called naturalization, where Congress is vested with the power to >>>> craft such laws, and illegal immigration is called, "Invasion". >>>> >>>> Plain and simple. >>>> >>>> See my post on this, all of the articles are listed in Article One, >>>> Section Eight. The Naturalization is in either Clause Three or Four, and >>>> there are numerous Clauses addressing invasion, including one where the >>>> State has the DUTY (*See* Arizona) to stop invasion from illegal >>>> invaders into their State. >>>> >>>> The Constitution is not a living, breathing document, as many Moonbats, >>>> (*See* Lil'MarxistMoonbatTommyTomTomForNews) suggests.....It's black >>>> and white, plain and simple. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Jonathan Ashley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> And that is how things were until 1875 when the Supreme Court >>>>> declared that regulation of US immigration is the responsibility of the >>>>> Federal Government - despite the fact that immigration is not mentioned in >>>>> the Constitution. >>>>> >>>>> Our founding fathers had one intention and it took nearly one hundred >>>>> years before the Supreme Court decided to arbitrarily change that >>>>> intention. >>>>> >>>>> Had it not been for the Supreme Court making law instead of upholding >>>>> what the Constitution says, we would not be having discussions about >>>>> illegal immigration. >>>>> >>>>> On 10/29/2010 3:39 PM, Keith In Tampa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I think in 1791, under the circumstances that you describe, he would >>>>> have been a citizen, and a part of, "We, The People"..... >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:38 PM, Jonathan Ashley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That does not answer the question posed. If a person moved here from >>>>>> France in 1791 with no intention of returning to France and every >>>>>> intention >>>>>> of residing in Virginia, where does it say he is not a citizen of the >>>>>> United States? Where does it say he is not a member of the body of "We >>>>>> the >>>>>> People" living in the United States in 1791? >>>>>> >>>>>> On 10/29/2010 3:15 PM, Keith In Tampa wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> "We The People, Of the United States Of America" is pretty self >>>>>> explanatory..... >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 6:02 PM, Jonathan Ashley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> While the word "citizen" appears quite often in the Constitution >>>>>>> for the United States >>>>>>> , it is never clearly defined. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If a person chose to move here from France in 1791, why would he >>>>>>> not have been part of "We the People"? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 10/29/2010 10:53 AM, Keith In Tampa wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is one convoluted, and I might add, WRONG interpretation >>>>>>> Michael. "The People" mean the Citizens of the United States. Not >>>>>>> illegals, not, "The People of France", etc., etc., etc....Numerous case >>>>>>> law >>>>>>> citations on this very premise, again, I'll come back to it maybe >>>>>>> tonight. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Keith >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 1:41 PM, MJ <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Article III deals with the JUDICIARY. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There you go again with that silliness about 'illegals'. >>>>>>>> Citizens relate (re: US Constitution) SPECIFICALLY as denoted. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Items like -- for example -- Amendment IV (for simplicity) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, >>>>>>>> papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, >>>>>>>> shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon >>>>>>>> probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly >>>>>>>> describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to >>>>>>>> be seized. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> restrict the GOVERNMENT from action against PEOPLE -- regardless of >>>>>>>> whether they are Citizens, Visitors, have the Government's >>>>>>>> unconstitutional >>>>>>>> permission, etc. It plainly LIMITS the Feds from doing as stated. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Naturalization (or naturalisation), of course, is the acquisition >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> citizenship and nationality by somebody who was not a citizen or >>>>>>>> national of that country when he or she was born. >>>>>>>> Naturalization has NOTHING to do with entering/exiting. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There was no claim that Citizens were something else. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regard$, >>>>>>>> --MJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was about to say that I'd hate to live in a country >>>>>>>> where the law could mean whatever its rulers said >>>>>>>> it meant, when it occurred to me that I already do. >>>>>>>> -- Joseph Sobran >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 01:28 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Art. III referenced the Constitution and treaties, but was changed >>>>>>>> by the XI amendment. Citizens do not refer to illegals that roam onto >>>>>>>> U.S. >>>>>>>> soil and do not become naturalized. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "MJ" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 1:14:13 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tea party antics could end up burning Republicans >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is becoming silly. Have you actually READ the Constitution? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Occurrences of 'Citizen' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In Article III (describing JURISDICTION for the supreme Court): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> between a State and Citizens of another State; -- between >>>>>>>> Citizens >>>>>>>> of different States; -- between Citizens of the same State >>>>>>>> claiming Lands >>>>>>>> under Grants of different States, and between a State, or the >>>>>>>> Citizens >>>>>>>> thereof, and foreign States, Citizens or Subjects. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In Article IV (ensuring reciprocity between States): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges >>>>>>>> and Immunities of Citizens in the several States. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Amendment XI (more jurisdiction): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Judicial power of the United States shall not be construed >>>>>>>> to extend to >>>>>>>> any suit in law or equity, commenced or prosecuted against one of >>>>>>>> the United >>>>>>>> States by Citizens of another State, or by Citizens or Subjects >>>>>>>> of any >>>>>>>> Foreign State. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dubiously Ratified Amendment XIV (aiding Lincoln's illusion): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and >>>>>>>> subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United >>>>>>>> States and >>>>>>>> of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce >>>>>>>> any law >>>>>>>> which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of >>>>>>>> the United >>>>>>>> States; >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Amendment XV (preventing voting disqualification by group): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be >>>>>>>> denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on >>>>>>>> account of >>>>>>>> race, color, or previous condition of servitude. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Amendment XIX (preventing voting disqualification by group)" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be >>>>>>>> denied or >>>>>>>> abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Amendment XIV (preventing voting disqualification by group): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The right of citizens of the United States to vote in any >>>>>>>> primary or other election for President or Vice President, for >>>>>>>> electors for >>>>>>>> President or Vice President, or for Senator or Representative in >>>>>>>> Congress, shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or >>>>>>>> any >>>>>>>> State by reason of failure to pay any poll tax or other tax. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Amendment XXVI (preventing voting disqualification by group): >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen >>>>>>>> years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> United States or by any State on account of age. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Constitution, of course, CREATED and LIMITS the Government it >>>>>>>> created. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> STILL do not know what the Bible has to do with anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regard$, >>>>>>>> --MJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal >>>>>>>> government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State >>>>>>>> governments are numerous and indefinite. The former will be exercised >>>>>>>> principally on external objects, as war, peace, negotiation, and >>>>>>>> foreign >>>>>>>> commerce; with which last the power of taxation will, for the most >>>>>>>> part, be >>>>>>>> connected. The powers reserved to the several States will extend to >>>>>>>> all the >>>>>>>> objects which, in the ordinary course of affairs, concern the lives, >>>>>>>> liberties, and properties of the people, and the internal order, >>>>>>>> improvement, and prosperity of the State. -- James Madison, Federalist >>>>>>>> Papers >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 12:53 PM 10/29/2010, you wrote: >>>>>>>> Look at Romans 1:26-27. Also the Constitution and the amendments >>>>>>>> refer to citizens. Citizens are all persons born or naturalized in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> U.S. and subject to the jurisdiction therein. Clearly it does not >>>>>>>> apply to >>>>>>>> illegals. >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "MJ" <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 12:01:43 PM >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tea party antics could end up burning Republicans >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> THIS does not answer the request. >>>>>>>> Someone will need to explain this silliness about 'legal' and >>>>>>>> 'illegal' immigrants. The US Constitution provides no power >>>>>>>> whatsoever for >>>>>>>> the Feds to extend or withhold permission for entry (or exit) into any >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> the Sovereign States. Besides, 'migration' is a natural right. >>>>>>>> Additionally, rights are inherent in Man's being -- not >>>>>>>> permissions as you imply. >>>>>>>> Not certain WHAT the Bible may have to do with anything. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As an aside, do you have any problem/difficulty with the THEFT and >>>>>>>> SLAVERY promoted by both the Ds and Rs? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regard$, >>>>>>>> --MJ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes >>>>>>>> into the world with a right to his own person, which includes the >>>>>>>> liberty >>>>>>>> of moving and using it at his own will. This is what is called >>>>>>>> personal >>>>>>>> liberty, and is given him by the Author of nature, because necessary >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> his own sustenance." --Thomas Jefferson >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 11:42 AM 10/29/2010, you wrote: What rights do immigrants have >>>>>>>> unless they are legal? In reference to the Bible have you read the >>>>>>>> verses >>>>>>>> on homosexuality? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "MJ" <[email protected]> To: >>>>>>>> [email protected] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2010 >>>>>>>> 11:24:30 AM Subject: Re: Tea party antics could end up burning >>>>>>>> Republicans >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Can you POINT me to a 'platform' or similar that suggests such? Thanks >>>>>>>> in advance. >>>>>>>> Regard$, --MJ >>>>>>>> "Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his >>>>>>>> error. " -- Marcus Tullius Cicero >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At 09:18 AM 10/29/2010, you wrote: >But it seems obvious that the >>>>>>>> biggest reason to vote Democrat is to >take one good look at the >>>>>>>> crazies in the Grand Opressive Tea Party and >what they will do to >>>>>>>> oppresss LGBT people, as well as a whole slew of >demographic >>>>>>>> minority groups, including immigrants, Latinos, >African-Americans >>>>>>>> and women who have been raped or victims of incest. >If you don't >>>>>>>> vote for the Democrats, you are opening the door for >bigoted >>>>>>>> hateful theocrats like the Fred Phelps Wesboro "Church" who >totally >>>>>>>> ignore Jesus' actual message of love, acceptance and inclusion >and >>>>>>>> fail to know what their Bible really says. >The Republican Agenda >>>>>>>> is anti-American. Their number one priority is >to obstruct and >>>>>>>> make The President of The United States fail. 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