Christians who reside in Israel, or on the West Bank, or in Gaza, are treated as second class citizens. Israel restricts these Christians' use of any infrastructure, to include the roadways, the sewer systems of publicly owned treatment works, the libraries, etc. --- yet you support them. I'd call that subservience at it's finest!!!
On Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:31:32 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Because if idiots like John Hagee and other "Mega Church" ministers, and > also the likes of former Governor Mike Huckabee, (who other than this one > issue, I have the utmost respect and admiration for!) > > The term "Christian Zionist" has been prostituted and like the term "Gay > Marriage", redefined. > > Just as important, folks like the Good Minister Hagee, as well as > Governor Huckabee, Newt Gingrich, and others are obviously not well > informed about "some" of Israel's policies.... > > I have a very good "online" friend, who is a writer for a number of > Christian blogs, as well as for BarbWire, The Daily Beast and other > publications. She is very knowledgeable on the Bible, as well as Plain Ol > is, and well versed on Biblical passages. > > What this woman (who I reference), folks like Mike Huckabee, Newt > Gingrich, and John Hagee and even Political Forum's own, "The Annointed > One": Mark Kahle don't know, is that Christians who reside in Israel, or > on the West Bank, or in Gaza, are treated as second class citizens. > Israel restricts these Christians' use of any infrastructure, to include > the roadways, the sewer systems of publicly owned treatment works, the > libraries, etc. > > American media does not report on this discrimination; as European media > does.....It's Israel's dirty little secret, and no one wants to talk about > it! > > If Christians in America, and I think most politicians in America knew of > this atrocity, you would see Israel change it's policies very quickly, or > support for the Jewish Nation-State dry up immediately. > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:13 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > wrong again ... > > At least one in four American Christians surveyed recently by > Christianity Today magazine said that they believe it is their biblical > responsibility to support the nation of Israel. This view is known as > Christian Zionism. The Pew Research Center put the figure at 63 per cent > among white evangelicals. Christian Zionism is pervasive within mainline > American evangelical, charismatic and independent denominations including > the Assemblies of God, Pentecostals and Southern Baptists, as well as many > of the independent mega-churches. It is less prevalent within the historic > denominations, which show a greater respect for the work of the United > Nations, support for human rights, the rule of international law and > empathy with the Palestinians. > > The origins of the movement can be traced to the early 19th century when a > group of eccentric British Christian leaders began to lobby for Jewish > restoration to Palestine as a necessary precondition for the return of > Christ. The movement gained traction from the middle of the 19th century > when Palestine became strategic to British, French and German colonial > interests in the Middle East. Proto-Christian Zionism therefore preceded > Jewish Zionism by more than 50 years. Some of Theodore Herzl’s strongest > advocates were Christian clergy. > > Christian Zionism as a modern theological and political movement embraces > the most extreme ideological positions of Zionism. It has become deeply > detrimental to a just peace between Palestine and Israel. It propagates a > worldview in which the Christian message is reduced to an ideology of > empire, colonialism and militarism. In its extreme form, it places an > emphasis on apocalyptic events leading to the end of history rather than > living Christ’s love and justice today. > > Followers of Christian Zionism are convinced that the founding of the > State of Israel in 1948 and the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 were the > miraculous fulfillment of God’s promises made to Abraham that he would > establish Israel as a Jewish nation forever in Palestine. > > Tim LaHaye’s infamous Left Behind novels, together with other End Times > speculations written by authors such as Hal Lindsey, John Hagee and Pat > Robertson, have sold well over 100 million copies. These are supplemented > by children’s books, videos and event violent computer games. > > Burgeoning Christian Zionist organizations such as the International > Christian Embassy (ICEJ), Christian Friends of Israel (CFI) and Christians > United for Israel (CUFI) wield considerable influence on Capitol Hill, > claiming a support base in excess of 50 million true believers. This means > there are now at least ten times as many Christian Zionists as Jewish > Zionists. And their European cousins are no less active in the Zionist > Hasbarafia, lobbying for Israel, attacking its critics and thwarting the > peace process. The United States and Israel are often portrayed as Siamese > twins, joined at the heart, sharing common historic, religious and > political values. > > Pastor John Hagee is one of the leaders of the Christian Zionist movement. > He is the Founder and Senior Pastor of Cornerstone Church, a 19,000-member > evangelical church in San Antonio, Texas. His weekly programmes are > broadcast on 160 TV stations, 50 radio stations and eight networks into an > estimated 99 million homes in 200 countries. In 2006 he founded Christians > United for Israel admitting, > > “For 25 almost 26 years now, I have been pounding the evangelical > community over television. The Bible is a very pro-Israel book. If a > Christian admits ‘I believe the Bible,’ I can make him a pro-Israel > supporter or they will have to denounce their faith. So I have the > Christians over a barrel, you might say.” > > In March 2007, Hagee spoke at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee > (AIPAC) Policy Conference. He began by saying: > > “The sleeping giant of Christian Zionism has awakened. There are 50 > million Christians standing up and applauding the State of Israel…” > > As the Jerusalem Post pointed out, his speech did not lack clarity. He > went on to warn: > > “It is 1938. Iran is Germany, and Ahmadinejad is the new Hitler. We must > stop Iran’s nuclear threat and stand boldly with Israel, the only democracy > in the Middle East… Think of our potential future together: 50 million > evangelicals joining in common cause with 5 million Jewish people in > America on behalf of Israel is a match made in heaven.” > > Christian Zionists have shown varying degrees of enthusiasm for > implementing six basic political convictions that arise from their > ultra-literal and fundamentalist theology: > > 1. > > The belief that the Jews remain God’s chosen people leads Christian > Zionists to seek to bless Israel in material ways. However, this also > invariably results in the uncritical endorsement of and justification for > Israel’s racist and apartheid policies, in the media, among politicians > and > through solidarity tours to Israel. > 2. > > As God’s chosen people, the final restoration of the Jews to Israel is > therefore actively encouraged, funded and facilitated through partnerships > with the Jewish Agency. > 3. > > Eretz Israel, as delineated in scripture, from the Nile to the > Euphrates, belongs exclusively to the Jewish people, therefore the land > must be annexed, Palestinians driven from their homes and the illegal > Jewish settlements expanded and consolidated. > 4. > > Jerusalem is regarded as the eternal and exclusive capital of the > Jews, and cannot be shared with the Palestinians. Therefore, > strategically, > Christian Zionists have lobbied the US Administration to relocate its > embassy to Jerusalem and thereby ensure that Jerusalem is recognised as > the > capital of Israel. > 5. > > Christian Zionists offer varying degrees of support for organisations > such as the Jewish Temple Mount Faithful who are committed to destroying > the Dome of the Rock and rebuilding the Jewish Temple on the Haram > Al-Sharif (Noble sanctuary of Al-Aqsa). > 6. > > Christian Zionists invariably have a pessimistic view of the future, > convinced that there will be an apocalyptic war of Armageddon in the > imminent future. They are deeply sceptical of the possibility of a lasting > peace between Jews and Arabs and therefore oppose the peace process. > Indeed, to advocate an Israeli compromise of “land for peace” with the > Palestinians is seen as a rejection of God’s promises to Israel and > therefore to support her enemies. > > Within the Christian Zionist worldview, Palestinians are regarded as alien > residents in Israel. Many Christian Zionists are reluctant even to > acknowledge Palestinians exist as a distinct people, claiming that they > emigrated to Israel from surrounding Arab nations for economic reasons > after Israel had become prosperous. A fear and deep-seated hatred of Islam > also pervades their dualistic Manichean theology. Christian Zionists have > little or no interest in the existence of indigenous Arab Christians > despite their continuity with the early church. > > In 2006, I drafted what became known as the Jerusalem Declaration on > Christian Zionism signed by four of the Heads of Churches in Jerusalem: His > Beatitude Patriarch Michel Sabbah, Latin Patriarch, Jerusalem; Archbishop > Swerios Malki Mourad, Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate, Jerusalem; Bishop Riah > Abu El-Assal, Episcopal Church of Jerusalem and the Middle East; and Bishop > Munib Younan, Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land. In > it they insisted: > > “We categorically reject Christian Zionist doctrines as a false teaching > that corrupts the biblical message of love, justice and reconciliation. > > We further reject the contemporary alliance of Christian Zionist leaders > and organisations with elements in the governments of Israel and the United > States that are presently imposing their unilateral pre-emptive borders and > domination over Palestine. This inevitably leads to unending cycles of > violence that undermine the security of all peoples of the Middle East and > the rest of world. > > We reject the teachings of Christian Zionism that facilitate and support > these policies as they advance racial exclusivity and perpetual war rather > than the gospel of universal love, redemption and reconciliation taught by > Jesus Christ. Rather than condemn the world to the doom of Armageddon we > call upon everyone to liberate themselves from ideologies of militarism and > occupation. Instead, let them pursue the healing of the nations! > > We call upon Christians in Churches on every continent to pray for the > Palestinian and Israeli people, both of whom are suffering as victims of > occupation and militarism. These discriminative actions are turning > Palestine into impoverished ghettos surrounded by exclusive Israeli > settlements. The establishment of the illegal settlements and the > construction of the Separation Wall on confiscated Palestinian land > undermines the viability of a Palestinian state and peace and security in > the entire region.” > > * The patriarchs concluded:* > > “God demands that justice be done. No enduring peace, security or > reconciliation is possible without the foundation of justice. The demands > of justice will not disappear. The struggle for justice must be pursued > diligently and persistently but non-violently.” The prophet Micah asks, > “What does the Lord require of you, to act justly, to love mercy and to > walk humbly with your God.” (Micah 6:8). > > It is my contention after more than 10 years of postgraduate research that > Christian Zionism is the largest, most controversial and most destructive > lobby within Christianity. It bears primary responsibility for perpetuating > tensions in the Middle East, justifying Israel’s apartheid colonialist > agenda and for undermining the peace process between Israel and the > Palestinians. > > The closing chapter of the New Testament takes us back to the imagery of > the Garden of Eden and the removal of the curse arising from the Fall: > “Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as > crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb… On each side of > the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding > its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of > the nations.” (Revelation 22:1-2) Surely this is what Jesus had in mind > when he instructed his followers to act as Ambassadors of peace and > reconciliation, to work and pray that God’s kingdom would come on earth as > it is in heaven. > > * The Revd Dr Stephen Sizer** is the Vicar of Christ Church in Virginia > Water and the author of Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon? > <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Christian-Zionism-Armageddon-Stephen-Sizer/dp/1844740501/> > > (InterVarsity Press, 2004); Zion’s Christian Soldiers? > <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zions-Christian-Soldiers-Israel-Church/dp/1844742148/> > > (2007) and In the Footsteps of Jesus and the Apostles > <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Footsteps-Jesus-Apostles-Stephen-Sizer/dp/0863475833/> > > (Eagle, 2004). For more information see www.stephensizer.com > <http://www.stephensizer.com/>* > > > On Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:24:42 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > All Christians are "Zionist Xians" to you Plain Ol'......Your "Bark" has > no credibility.... > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I don't know much about Larry Gatlin, > --- > I do. > > (I find it hard to believe that he is Jewish) > --- > he's a zionist xian. > > .....Nugent? > --- > a great guitar player but a hateful islamaphobe. > > I agree with most everything uttered from his mug! I have heard his > commentary about Vietnam, and he and I can agree to disagree there. > --- > It's difficult to decide which is more obnoxious: his support for the > murderous regime in Israel; his hatred of Muslims; or his utter hypocrisy - > a flag-waving chicken-hawk who dodged the draft. What a joke! > > You just hate anything that is Pro-American or anyone who would suggest > traditional American values. > --- > wrong again, subservient zionist xian. > your idea of pro-American is attacking, destroying and rebuilding shit > holes in the middle east for resources and israel. > and your idea of traditional American values come from archaic judaic law. > maybe you would be happier living in israel. > > > On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:45:13 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > I don't know much about Larry Gatlin, (I find it hard to believe that he > is Jewish).....Nugent? I agree with most everything uttered from his mug! > I have heard his commentary about Vietnam, and he and I can agree to > disagree there. > > You just hate anything that is Pro-American or anyone who would suggest > traditional American values. > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:36 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > > And is that supposed to be some type of negative connotation? > --- > you're quick! > > I assume that liberals like you don't like Ted Nugent, > -- > I like Ted ok ... until he opens his hateful mouth. > On dodging the Vietnam War draft > > Nugent told the Detroit Free Press in 1990 that he meticulously planned to > get out of the war. He stopped bathing 30 days before going before the > draft board and later ate nothing but junk food and Pepsi. A few days > before his appointment, Nugent started defecating in his pants. It > obviously worked — and it's a good thing, because "if I would have gone > over there, I’d have been killed, or I’d have killed all the Hippies in the > foxholes. I would have killed everybody." > On politics > > Nugent's recent comments about Obama weren't the first time he blasted the > president. He said basically the same thing in 2007, except he had a > machine gun as a visual aid. > > "I think that Barack Hussein Obama should be put in jail. It is clear that > Barack Hussein Obama is a communist. Mao Tse Tung lives and his name is > Barack Hussein Obama. This country should be ashamed. I wanna throw up," he > said, adding "Obama, he’s a piece of s**t. I told him to suck on my machine > gun." > > Apparently the *Detroit Free Press* is Nugent's go-to outlet for hate > speech. In this 1990 interview, The Nuge said that all people aren't the > same. > > "My being there (South Africa) isn’t going to affect any political > structure. Besides, apartheid isn’t that cut-and-dry. All men are not > created equal." > On women > > Nugent is well known for his "type" of women, namely women who might not > be 18. His "muse" Pele Massa was 17 when they got together — he had to take > legal custody of her from her parents in order to date. However, that > relationship — like most of Nugent's relationships — ended because of his > love for "alternative flesh management," or as we call it, cheating. > > "What’s a feminist anyways? A fat pig who doesn’t get it often enough?" > On minorities and non-Americans > > He still has a rabid following around the world, whether he likes it or > not. Apparently, he doesn't share the love. > > "…Yeah they love me (in Japan) — they’re still assholes. These people they > don’t know what life is. I don’t have a following, they need me; they don’t > like me they need me… Foreigners are a******s; foreigners are scum; I > don’t like ‘em; I don’t want ‘em in this country; I don’t want ‘em selling > me doughnuts; I don’t want ‘em pumping my gas; I don’t want ‘em downwind of > my life-OK? So anyhow, and I’m dead serious…" > > Also, using racial slurs to describe African Americans is totally okay if > you have black friends. > > "I use the word n****r a lot because I hang around with a lot of n****rs, > and they use the word n****r, and I tend to use words that communicate," he > said. > > > so Gatlin falls into the same category? > --- > Larry is a zionist xian who suffers from a napoleon complex, alcoholism > and drug addiction. > > > On Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:45:32 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > And is that supposed to be some type of negative connotation? I assume > that liberals like you don't like Ted Nugent, so Gatlin falls into the same > category? > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:42 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Larry Gatlin is country music's Ted Nugent. > > On Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:34:25 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: > > > > > BareNakedIslam posted: ""Convert or die. you say? We exist to fan the > flame of freedom and we don't run. I can shoot the cork out of a pig's ass > at 300 yards...or an Islamic terrorist's." http://youtu.be/CWtRpJucx3U > h/t Nick & Jenny" > > New post on *BARE NAKED ISLAM* > <http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1> AMERICAN WITH A REMINGTON: > Larry Gatlin’s ode to Islam > <http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/10/09/american-with-a-remington-larry-gatlins-ode-to-islam/> > by > BareNakedIslam <http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1> > > "Convert or die. you say? We exist to fan the flame of freedom and we > don't run. 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