You have made much out of the USS Liberty attack, which was clearly an accident; --- opinion noted. the transcript says otherwise.
and Israel is very much an Ally, whether you like it or don't like it. --- they are a collective borg and an enemy of every nation they inhabit. I am unaware of any extortion by Israel of our politicians. --- then wake the fuck up. Your blindness to the threat that Islam poses to the world is clearly a roadblock to you being able to clearly see world events as they unfold. Your love and support if Islam is duly noted..... --- you're blindness of zionist extortion says tons about your intellect and I don't give a shit whether the muzzies and jews kill each other into extinction. If you truly feel that Israel is somehow extorting American politicians, by all means: Enlighten us all! On Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:08:58 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > You take many things out of context Plain Ol'. You have made much out of > the USS Liberty attack, which was clearly an accident; and Israel is very > much an Ally, whether you like it or don't like it. I am unaware of any > extortion by Israel of our politicians. Your blindness to the threat that > Islam poses to the world is clearly a roadblock to you being able to > clearly see world events as they unfold. Your love and support if Islam > is duly noted..... > > If you truly feel that Israel is somehow extorting American politicians, > by all means: Enlighten us all! > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 3:04 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > I do in fact support Israel; > --- > even though they extort our politicians for weapons and our tax dollars, > have killed our soldiers, spied on our government and use the US like a two > bit whore for their war with the muzzies. > > Israel's right to exist and Israel's right to defend itself. > --- > move there and fund your own charities. > > > On Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:39:53 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > As stated in a number of threads, for years, I do in fact support Israel; > Israel's right to exist and Israel's right to defend itself. I am critical > of a number of political positions that Israel holds, as is my right. I am > more critical of American politicians who would put Israel's interests > ahead of American interests.....Nothing new here Plain Ol'.....I've said > this repeatedly. > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:36 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Christians who reside in Israel, or on the West Bank, or in Gaza, are > treated as second class citizens. Israel restricts these Christians' use > of any infrastructure, to include the roadways, the sewer systems of > publicly owned treatment works, the libraries, etc. > --- > yet you support them. > I'd call that subservience at it's finest!!! > > On Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:31:32 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Because if idiots like John Hagee and other "Mega Church" ministers, and > also the likes of former Governor Mike Huckabee, (who other than this one > issue, I have the utmost respect and admiration for!) > > The term "Christian Zionist" has been prostituted and like the term "Gay > Marriage", redefined. > > Just as important, folks like the Good Minister Hagee, as well as > Governor Huckabee, Newt Gingrich, and others are obviously not well > informed about "some" of Israel's policies.... > > I have a very good "online" friend, who is a writer for a number of > Christian blogs, as well as for BarbWire, The Daily Beast and other > publications. She is very knowledgeable on the Bible, as well as Plain Ol > is, and well versed on Biblical passages. > > What this woman (who I reference), folks like Mike Huckabee, Newt > Gingrich, and John Hagee and even Political Forum's own, "The Annointed > One": Mark Kahle don't know, is that Christians who reside in Israel, or > on the West Bank, or in Gaza, are treated as second class citizens. > Israel restricts these Christians' use of any infrastructure, to include > the roadways, the sewer systems of publicly owned treatment works, the > libraries, etc. > > American media does not report on this discrimination; as European media > does.....It's Israel's dirty little secret, and no one wants to talk about > it! > > If Christians in America, and I think most politicians in America knew of > this atrocity, you would see Israel change it's policies very quickly, or > support for the Jewish Nation-State dry up immediately. > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 2:13 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > > wrong again ... > > At least one in four American Christians surveyed recently by > Christianity Today magazine said that they believe it is their biblical > responsibility to support the nation of Israel. This view is known as > Christian Zionism. The Pew Research Center put the figure at 63 per cent > among white evangelicals. Christian Zionism is pervasive within mainline > American evangelical, charismatic and independent denominations including > the Assemblies of God, Pentecostals and Southern Baptists, as well as many > of the independent mega-churches. It is less prevalent within the historic > denominations, which show a greater respect for the work of the United > Nations, support for human rights, the rule of international law and > empathy with the Palestinians. > > The origins of the movement can be traced to the early 19th century when a > group of eccentric British Christian leaders began to lobby for Jewish > restoration to Palestine as a necessary precondition for the return of > Christ. The movement gained traction from the middle of the 19th century > when Palestine became strategic to British, French and German colonial > interests in the Middle East. Proto-Christian Zionism therefore preceded > Jewish Zionism by more than 50 years. Some of Theodore Herzl’s strongest > advocates were Christian clergy. > > Christian Zionism as a modern theological and political movement embraces > the most extreme ideological positions of Zionism. It has become deeply > detrimental to a just peace between Palestine and Israel. It propagates a > worldview in which the Christian message is reduced to an ideology of > empire, colonialism and militarism. In its extreme form, it places an > emphasis on apocalyptic events leading to the end of history rather than > living Christ’s love and justice today. > > Followers of Christian Zionism are convinced that the founding of the > State of Israel in 1948 and the capture of Jerusalem in 1967 were the > miraculous fulfillment of God’s promises made to Abraham that he would > establish Israel as a Jewish nation forever in Palestine. > > Tim LaHaye’s infamous Left Behind novels, together with other End Times > speculations written by authors such as Hal Lindsey, John Hagee and Pat > Robertson, have sold well over 100 million copies. These are supplemented > by children’s books, videos and event violent computer games. > > Burgeoning Christian Zionist organizations such as the International > Christian Embassy (ICEJ), Christian Friends of Israel (CFI) and Christians > United for Israel (CUFI) wield considerable influence on Capitol Hill, > claiming a support base in excess of 50 million true believers. This means > there are now at least ten times as many Christian Zionists as Jewish > Zionists. And their European cousins are no less active in the Zionist > Hasbarafia, lobbying for Israel, attacking its critics and thwarting the > peace process. The United States and Israel are often portrayed as Siamese > twins, joined at the heart, sharing common historic, religious and > political values. > > Pastor John Hagee is one of the leaders of the Christian Zionist movement. > He is the Founder and Senior Pastor of Cornerstone Church, a 19,000-member > evangelical church in San Antonio, Texas. His weekly programmes are > broadcast on 160 TV stations, 50 radio stations and eight networks into an > estimated 99 million homes in 200 countries. In 2006 he founded Christians > United for Israel admitting, > > “For 25 almost 26 years now, I have been pounding the evangelical > community over television. The Bible is a very pro-Israel book. If a > Christian admits ‘I believe the Bible,’ I can make him a pro-Israel > supporter or they will have to denounce their faith. So I have the > Christians over a barrel, you might say.” > > In March 2007, Hagee spoke at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee > (AIPAC) Policy Conference. He began by saying: > > “The sleeping giant of Christian Zionism has awakened. There are 50 > million Christians standing up and applauding the State of Israel…” > > As the Jerusalem Post pointed out, his speech did not lack clarity. He > went on to warn: > > “It is 1938. Iran is Germany, and Ahmadinejad is the new Hitler. We must > stop Iran’s nuclear threat and stand boldly with Israel, the only democracy > in the Middle East… Think of our potential future together: 50 million > evangelicals joining in common cause with 5 million Jewish people in > America on behalf of Israel is a match made in heaven.” > > Christian Zionists have shown varying degrees of enthusiasm for > implementing six basic political convictions that arise from their > ultra-literal and fundamentalist theology: > > 1. > > The belief that the Jews remain God’s chosen people leads Christian > Zionists to seek to bless Israel in material ways. However, this also > invariably results in the uncritical endorsement of and justification for > Israel’s racist and apartheid policies, in the media, among politicians > and > through solidarity tours to Israel. > 2. > > As God’s chosen people, the final restoration of the Jews to Israel is > therefore actively encouraged, funded and facilitated through partnerships > with the Jewish Agency. > 3. > > Eretz Israel, as delineated in scripture, from the Nile to the > Euphrates, belongs exclusively to the Jewish people, therefore the land > must be annexed, Palestinians driven from their homes and the illegal > Jewish settlements expanded and consolidated. > 4. > > Jerusalem is regarded as the eternal and exclusive capital of the > Jews, and cannot be shared with the Palestinians. Therefore, > strategically, > Christian Zionists have lobbied the US Administration to relocate its > embassy to Jerusalem and thereby ensure that Jerusalem is recognised as > the > capital of Israel. > 5. > > Christian Zionists offer varying degrees of support for organisations > such as the Jewish Temple Mount Faithful who are committed to destroying > the Dome of the Rock and rebuilding the Jewish Temple on the Haram > Al-Sharif (Noble sanctuary of Al-Aqsa). > 6. > > Christian Zionists invariably have a pessimistic view of the future, > convinced that there will be an apocalyptic war of Armageddon in the > imminent future. They are deeply sceptical of the possibility of a lasting > peace between Jews and Arabs and therefore oppose the peace process. > Indeed, to advocate an Israeli compromise of “land for peace” with the > Palestinians is seen as a rejection of God’s promises to Israel and > therefore to support her enemies. > > Within the Christian Zionist worldview, Palestinians are regarded as alien > residents in Israel. Many Christian Zionists are reluctant even to > acknowledge Palestinians exist as a distinct people, claiming that they > emigrated to Israel from surrounding Arab nations for economic reasons > after Israel had become prosperous. A fear and deep-seated hatred of Islam > also pervades their dualistic Manichean theology. Christian Zionists have > little or no interest in the existence of indigenous Arab Christians > despite their continuity with the early church. > > In 2006, I drafted what became known as the Jerusalem Declaration on > Christian Zionism signed by four of the Heads of Churches in Jerusalem: His > Beatitude Patriarch Michel Sabbah, Latin Patriarch, Jerusalem; Archbishop > Swerios Malki Mourad, Syrian Orthodox Patriarchate, Jerusalem; Bishop Riah > Abu El-Assal, Episcopal Church of Jerusalem and the Middle East; and Bishop > Munib Younan, Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land. In > it they insisted: > > “We categorically reject Christian Zionist doctrines as a false teaching > that corrupts the biblical message of love, justice and reconciliation. > > We further reject the contemporary alliance of Christian Zionist leaders > and organisations with elements in the governments of Israel and the United > States that are presently imposing their unilateral pre-emptive borders and > domination over Palestine. This inevitably leads to unending cycles of > violence that undermine the security of all peoples of the Middle East and > the rest of world. > > We reject the teachings of Christian Zionism that facilitate and support > these policies as they advance racial exclusivity and perpetual war rather > than the gospel of universal love, redemption and reconciliation taught by > Jesus Christ. Rather than condemn the world to the doom of Armageddon we > call upon everyone to liberate themselves from ideologies of militarism and > occupation. Instead, let them pursue the healing of the nations! > > We call upon Christians in Churches on every continent to pray for the > Palestinian and Israeli people, both of whom are suffering as victims of > occupation and militarism. These discriminative actions are turning > Palestine into impoverished ghettos surrounded by exclusive Israeli > settlements. The establishment of the illegal settlements and the > construction of the Separation Wall on confiscated Palestinian land > undermines the viability of a Palestinian state and peace and security in > the entire region.” > > * The patriarchs concluded:* > > “God demands that justice be done. No enduring peace, security or > reconciliation is possible without the foundation of justice. The demands > of justice will not disappear. The struggle for justice must be pursued > diligently and persistently but non-violently.” The prophet Micah asks, > “What does the Lord require of you, to act justly, to love mercy and to > walk humbly with your God.” (Micah 6:8). > > It is my contention after more than 10 years of postgraduate research that > Christian Zionism is the largest, most controversial and most destructive > lobby within Christianity. It bears primary responsibility for perpetuating > tensions in the Middle East, justifying Israel’s apartheid colonialist > agenda and for undermining the peace process between Israel and the > Palestinians. > > The closing chapter of the New Testament takes us back to the imagery of > the Garden of Eden and the removal of the curse arising from the Fall: > “Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, as clear as > crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb… On each side of > the river stood the tree of life, bearing twelve crops of fruit, yielding > its fruit every month. And the leaves of the tree are for the healing of > the nations.” (Revelation 22:1-2) Surely this is what Jesus had in mind > when he instructed his followers to act as Ambassadors of peace and > reconciliation, to work and pray that God’s kingdom would come on earth as > it is in heaven. > > * The Revd Dr Stephen Sizer** is the Vicar of Christ Church in Virginia > Water and the author of Christian Zionism: Road-map to Armageddon? > <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Christian-Zionism-Armageddon-Stephen-Sizer/dp/1844740501/> > > (InterVarsity Press, 2004); Zion’s Christian Soldiers? > <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Zions-Christian-Soldiers-Israel-Church/dp/1844742148/> > > (2007) and In the Footsteps of Jesus and the Apostles > <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Footsteps-Jesus-Apostles-Stephen-Sizer/dp/0863475833/> > > (Eagle, 2004). For more information see www.stephensizer.com > <http://www.stephensizer.com/>* > > > On Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:24:42 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > All Christians are "Zionist Xians" to you Plain Ol'......Your "Bark" has > no credibility.... > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 1:20 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > > I don't know much about Larry Gatlin, > --- > I do. > > (I find it hard to believe that he is Jewish) > --- > he's a zionist xian. > > .....Nugent? > --- > a great guitar player but a hateful islamaphobe. > > I agree with most everything uttered from his mug! I have heard his > commentary about Vietnam, and he and I can agree to disagree there. > --- > It's difficult to decide which is more obnoxious: his support for the > murderous regime in Israel; his hatred of Muslims; or his utter hypocrisy - > a flag-waving chicken-hawk who dodged the draft. What a joke! > > You just hate anything that is Pro-American or anyone who would suggest > traditional American values. > --- > wrong again, subservient zionist xian. > your idea of pro-American is attacking, destroying and rebuilding shit > holes in the middle east for resources and israel. > and your idea of traditional American values come from archaic judaic law. > maybe you would be happier living in israel. > > > On Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:45:13 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > I don't know much about Larry Gatlin, (I find it hard to believe that he > is Jewish).....Nugent? I agree with most everything uttered from his mug! > I have heard his commentary about Vietnam, and he and I can agree to > disagree there. > > You just hate anything that is Pro-American or anyone who would suggest > traditional American values. > > > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 12:36 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > > And is that supposed to be some type of negative connotation? > --- > you're quick! > > I assume that liberals like you don't like Ted Nugent, > -- > I like Ted ok ... until he opens his hateful mouth. > On dodging the Vietnam War draft > > Nugent told the Detroit Free Press in 1990 that he meticulously planned to > get out of the war. He stopped bathing 30 days before going before the > draft board and later ate nothing but junk food and Pepsi. A few days > before his appointment, Nugent started defecating in his pants. It > obviously worked — and it's a good thing, because "if I would have gone > over there, I’d have been killed, or I’d have killed all the Hippies in the > foxholes. I would have killed everybody." > On politics > > Nugent's recent comments about Obama weren't the first time he blasted the > president. He said basically the same thing in 2007, except he had a > machine gun as a visual aid. > > "I think that Barack Hussein Obama should be put in jail. It is clear that > Barack Hussein Obama is a communist. Mao Tse Tung lives and his name is > Barack Hussein Obama. This country should be ashamed. I wanna throw up," he > said, adding "Obama, he’s a piece of s**t. I told him to suck on my machine > gun." > > Apparently the *Detroit Free Press* is Nugent's go-to outlet for hate > speech. In this 1990 interview, The Nuge said that all people aren't the > same. > > "My being there (South Africa) isn’t going to affect any political > structure. Besides, apartheid isn’t that cut-and-dry. All men are not > created equal." > On women > > Nugent is well known for his "type" of women, namely women who might not > be 18. His "muse" Pele Massa was 17 when they got together — he had to take > legal custody of her from her parents in order to date. However, that > relationship — like most of Nugent's relationships — ended because of his > love for "alternative flesh management," or as we call it, cheating. > > "What’s a feminist anyways? A fat pig who doesn’t get it often enough?" > On minorities and non-Americans > > He still has a rabid following around the world, whether he likes it or > not. Apparently, he doesn't share the love. > > "…Yeah they love me (in Japan) — they’re still assholes. These people they > don’t know what life is. I don’t have a following, they need me; they don’t > like me they need me… Foreigners are a******s; foreigners are scum; I > don’t like ‘em; I don’t want ‘em in this country; I don’t want ‘em selling > me doughnuts; I don’t want ‘em pumping my gas; I don’t want ‘em downwind of > my life-OK? So anyhow, and I’m dead serious…" > > Also, using racial slurs to describe African Americans is totally okay if > you have black friends. > > "I use the word n****r a lot because I hang around with a lot of n****rs, > and they use the word n****r, and I tend to use words that communicate," he > said. > > > so Gatlin falls into the same category? > --- > Larry is a zionist xian who suffers from a napoleon complex, alcoholism > and drug addiction. > > > On Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:45:32 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > And is that supposed to be some type of negative connotation? I assume > that liberals like you don't like Ted Nugent, so Gatlin falls into the same > category? > > > > On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 9:42 AM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Larry Gatlin is country music's Ted Nugent. > > On Thursday, October 9, 2014 6:34:25 AM UTC-5, Travis wrote: > > > > > BareNakedIslam posted: ""Convert or die. you say? We exist to fan the > flame of freedom and we don't run. I can shoot the cork out of a pig's ass > at 300 yards...or an Islamic terrorist's." http://youtu.be/CWtRpJucx3U > h/t Nick & Jenny" > > New post on *BARE NAKED ISLAM* > <http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1> AMERICAN WITH A REMINGTON: > Larry Gatlin’s ode to Islam > <http://www.barenakedislam.com/2014/10/09/american-with-a-remington-larry-gatlins-ode-to-islam/> > by > BareNakedIslam <http://www.barenakedislam.com/?author=1> > > "Convert or die. you say? We exist to fan the flame of freedom and we > don't run. 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