Hah! Talk about shooting messengers! Typical Moonbat, labeling those who have a little common sense and disagree with your far left extremist Anti-American rants!
It is you who should relocate! Maybe to the new Nation-State IS; On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:49 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] > wrote: > don't shoot the messenger, zionist warmonger. > > On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 11:38:03 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> Plain Ol'; citing the Daily Kos......Nothing new here...... >> >> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 12:06 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Key neocons call for ending U.S. aid to Israel >>> <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/28/1317362/-Key-neocons-call-for-ending-U-S-aid-to-Israel> >>> >>> by Jon Perr <http://www.dailykos.com/user/Jon%20Perr>Follow >>> <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/28/1317362/-Key-neocons-call-for-ending-U-S-aid-to-Israel#?friend_id=8251&is_stream=1> >>> attribution: CBN News >>> In their controversial 2007 book *The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign >>> Policy >>> <http://books.google.com/books?id=bQHXJ4JzxV4C&pg=PT41&lpg=PT41&dq=walt+mearsheimer+%22it+is+time+to+treat+israel+like+a+normal+country%22&source=bl&ots=AP9lfoauqx&sig=U3aKWiDtTRgyobaZyRdkgRn9hYg&hl=en&sa=X&ei=VZDWU8DsFevXigKL4oHAAQ&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=walt%20mearsheimer%20%22it%20is%20time%20to%20treat%20israel%20like%20a%20normal%20country%22&f=false>*, >>> authors John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt proposed a dramatic change in >>> American financial aid for Israel currently amounting to $3 billion >>> annually. "It is time to treat Israel like a normal country," they argued, >>> "and make U.S. aid conditional on an end to the occupation and Israel's >>> willingness to conform its policies to American interests." For this (among >>> other perceived sins), the two men were vilified by many American >>> politicians, press and pundits, and were quickly labelled anti-Semites--and >>> worse. >>> >>> But now, some of the same voices that led the charge against Mearsheimer >>> and Walt are now calling for ending U.S. aid to Israel altogether >>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/18/some-of-israel-s-top-defenders-say-it-s-time-to-end-u-s-aid.html>. >>> At the front of that pack is Elliot Abrams. But the Iran-Contra >>> conspirator, Iraq war architect and cheerleader for a preventive U.S. war >>> to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities doesn't want to terminate financial >>> support in order to enhance American leverage on Israel, but instead to >>> *dramatically >>> limit Washington's influence* over the Jewish State. >>> >>> As Eli Lake >>> <http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/18/some-of-israel-s-top-defenders-say-it-s-time-to-end-u-s-aid.html> >>> explained in The Daily Beast, right now President Obama, overwhelming >>> bipartisan majorities in Congress and the American Israeli Political Action >>> Committee remain committed to sending billions in U.S. aid for years to >>> come. But some of the usual suspects among the neoconservative movement >>> have a different take: >>> >>> "The experience of the Obama years has sharpened the perception among >>> pro-Israel Americans that aid can cut against Israel by giving presidents >>> with bad ideas more leverage than they would otherwise have," said Noah >>> Pollak, the executive director of the Emergency Committee for Israel >>> (ECI)... aid provides easy fodder for critics to claim that the alliance is >>> a burden on the United States or that it's a one-way street of America >>> giving and Israel receiving. All things being equal, why not remove these >>> falsehoods from the debate?" >>> >>> Abrams, who has called on Congress for an authorization for the use of >>> military force (AUMF) to give President Obama a free hand to bomb Iran, >>> wants to give Benjamin Netanyahu and his successors a free hand, period. >>> >>> "My view is over time it would be healthy for the relationship if the >>> aid diminished. Israel should be less dependent on American financial >>> assistance and should become the kind of ally that we have in Australia, >>> Canada, or the United Kingdom: an intimate military relationship and >>> alliance, but no military aid." >>> >>> (It should be noted, as former Ambassador to Washington Michael Oren >>> did, that the United States does not have a mutual defense agreement with >>> Israel. Then again, unlike Australia, Canada or the United Kingdom, >>> Israel's power is not fungible on behalf of the United States. As the >>> experience of the First Gulf War >>> <http://www.nytimes.com/1991/01/20/world/war-gulf-president-bush-urges-israeli-restraint-phone-appeals-shamir.html> >>> showed to the chagrin of Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, justifiable Israeli >>> retaliation against Iraqi Scud missile strikes would have shattered the >>> allied coalition that ejected Saddam Hussein from Kuwait.) >>> >>> *Continue reading below.* >>> >>> With the Israeli economy booming and soon to be bolstered by massive >>> proceeds from new natural gas discoveries, the once vital American billions >>> will seem increasingly incongruous. As Abrams put it, "I do not believe a >>> country that has a sovereign wealth fund can be an aid recipient." >>> >>> It's no surprise that David Wurmser would agree. Wurmser, an aide to >>> Dick Cheney who resigned in 2007 over the Bush's administration's >>> catastrophic policy >>> <http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/07/20/1315353/-Hamas-rule-in-Gaza-President-Bush-built-that> >>> that enabled Hamas to take over Gaza, as far back as 1996 called Israel to >>> graduate from being a "tenuous project" to a "real country." Now a >>> consultant for U.S. firms looking to invest in the Israeli energy sector, >>> Wurmser argues that the U.S. should cut the cord precisely so Israel can >>> operate with impunity free of pressure from Washington: >>> >>> "The aid both implied a lack of feasibility of the state as well as >>> tying the state's hands and reducing its freedom to maneuver. Both of which >>> are inappropriate for a truly independent country, which it had become in >>> this period." >>> >>> That's putting it mildly. As the withering criticism of Secretary of >>> State John Kerry >>> <http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/us-fuming-israeli-criticism-john-kerry> >>> from the Israeli government and press shows, our ally like any other will >>> ultimately do what it believes are necessary for its--and not >>> American--interests. (That 87 percent of Israelis don't want a truce >>> <http://www.jpost.com/Operation-Protective-Edge/Poll-865-percent-of-Israelis-oppose-cease-fire-369064> >>> to prevent the suddenly very popular Benjamin Netanyahu to crush Hamas in >>> Gaza is reflects the two nation's diverging national interests.) While >>> not all of their fellow travelers agree, the message from the >>> neoconservatives seems to be this. Israel will--and should--do whatever it >>> wants to anyway; Americans might as well as save that $3 billion a year. >>> Apparently, it's better for Stephen Walt, John Mearsheimer and millions of >>> American taxpayers to be frustrated for free. >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. 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