Gallup poll has it slightly higher, but Christians are still a majority: http://www.gallup.com/poll/180347/three-quarters-americans-identify-christian.aspx
On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > *"opinion noted ... not shared by many Americans."* > > Not shared by 17 percent of Americans. > > > > > On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 9:09 PM, plainolamerican < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Cameron made it a point to say “that we should feel proud to say, ‘This >> is a Christian country.’ Yes, we’re a nation that embraces, welcomes and >> accepts all faiths and none, but we are still a Christian country.” >> --- >> opinion noted ... not shared by many Americans. >> >> On Wednesday, April 15, 2015 at 1:27:14 PM UTC-5, Travis wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> http://www.raymondibrahim.com/other-matters/obamas- >>> christianity-a-political-tool-to-silence-christians/ >>> >>> >>> Obama’s Christianity: A Political Tool to Silence Christians >>> >>> By *Raymond Ibrahim* >>> <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/author/raymond-ibrahim/> on April 15, >>> 2015 in *Other Matters* >>> <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/category/other-matters/> >>> >>> [image: Print Friendly] >>> <http://www.printfriendly.com/print?url=http://www.raymondibrahim.com/other-matters/obamas-christianity-a-political-tool-to-silence-christians/> >>> >>> *FrontPage Magazine* >>> <http://www.frontpagemag.com/2015/raymond-ibrahim/obamas-political-tool-of-christianity/> >>> >>> Here in the United States, where Americans are used to hearing their >>> president always invoke Christianity in a manner that silences Christians, >>> United Kingdom Prime Minister David Cameron’s recent Easter message was >>> moderately refreshing. >>> >>> [image: >>> http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/dcdcd.jpg] >>> <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/_admin/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/dcdcd.jpg> >>> >>> Among other things, Cameron made it a point to say “that we should feel >>> proud to say, ‘This is a Christian country.’ Yes, we’re a nation that >>> embraces, welcomes and accepts all faiths and none, but we are still a >>> Christian country.” >>> >>> The context of Cameron’s statement, it should be recalled, is a UK with >>> a large, intolerant, and aggressive Muslim populace—a populace that >>> increasingly seeks to treat the UK’s indigenous Christians the way the >>> Islamic world’s indigenous Christians are habitually treated, that is, >>> subjugated, enslaved, raped, and murdered. >>> >>> In fact, Cameron touched on the phenomenon of Christian persecution in >>> mostly Muslim lands: >>> >>> *We have a duty to speak out about the persecution of Christians around >>> the world too. It is truly shocking that in 2015 there are still >>> Christians being threatened, tortured, even killed because of their faith. >>> From Egypt to Nigeria, Libya to North Korea. Across the Middle East >>> Christians have been hounded out of their homes, forced to flee from >>> village to village; many of them forced to renounce their faith or brutally >>> murdered. To all those brave Christians in Iraq and Syria who practice >>> their faith or shelter others, we will say, “We stand with you.”* >>> >>> While one may argue that Cameron is all talk—after all, the UK’s foreign >>> policies, like America’s, have only exacerbated the plight of Christians in >>> the Middle East—it is still refreshing to hear such honest talk, since here >>> in the U.S., one seldom gets even that from President Obama. >>> >>> Consider what Obama—who is on record >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmC3IevZiik> saying “we are no longer >>> a Christian nation,” who never notes the Islamic identity of murderers >>> or the Christian identity of their victims >>> <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/muslim-persecution-of-christians/jihadis-cleansing-pakistan-of-christians/>, >>> and who >>> ignored a recent UN session on Christian persecution >>> <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/other-matters/us-ignores-un-session-on-christian-genocide-in-mideast/>—had >>> to say about Christians at the Easter Prayer Breakfast: “On Easter, I do >>> reflect on the fact that as a Christian, I am supposed to love. And I have >>> to say that sometimes when I listen to less than loving expressions by >>> Christians, I get concerned.” >>> >>> This is in keeping with his earlier >>> <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/other-matters/obamas-self-professed-confusion-about-islamic-terror/> >>> statements >>> <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/obama-christianity-no-different-than-the-islamic-state/> >>> calling >>> on Americans in general Christians in particular to be nonjudgmental and >>> instead to have “humility” and “doubt” themselves. For example, during the >>> National Prayer Breakfast last February, after Obama alluded to the >>> atrocities committed by the Islamic State—which include beheadings, >>> crucifixions, rape, slavery, and immolations—he said: >>> >>> *I believe there are a few principles that can guide us, particularly >>> those of us who profess to believe. And, first, we should start with some >>> basic humility. I believe that the starting point of faith is some >>> doubt—not being so full of yourself and so confident that you are right and >>> that God speaks only to us, and doesn’t speak to others, that God only >>> cares about us and doesn’t care about others, that somehow we alone are in >>> possession of the truth.* >>> >>> Humility, of course, is a well-recognized Christian virtue. It is the >>> exact opposite of pride; a modest if not humble opinion of oneself, one’s >>> shortcomings. But what does exercising humility have to do with our >>> understanding of Islamic violence and terrorism, which was, after all, the >>> topic Obama was discussing immediately before he began pontificating about >>> humility? Are we not to judge and condemn Islamic violence—since we’re >>> apparently no better, as the president made clear when he told >>> Christians to get off their “high horse” and remember the Crusades and >>> Inquisition >>> <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/obama-christianity-no-different-than-the-islamic-state/> >>> ? >>> >>> Furthermore, while Christian humility encourages self-doubt, it does not >>> encourage doubt concerning right and wrong, good and evil. The same Christ >>> who advocated humility repeatedly condemned evil behavior, called on people >>> to repent of their sins, and hurled tables in righteous anger. >>> >>> The point here is that, whenever Obama invokes Christianity and >>> Christian virtues, it is almost always in the context of trying to silence >>> Christians: telling them to “love” more—that is, to never judge or condemn >>> anything, and instead be doormats ever “turning the other cheek”; telling >>> them to remember the historic “crimes” of other Christians—even if they are >>> a >>> thousand years old >>> <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/islam/the-true-history-of-christendom-and-islam/> >>> and no crimes at all >>> <http://www.raymondibrahim.com/study-corner/the-truth-about-the-crusades/>—that >>> is, telling Christians not to criticize Islam because they too live in >>> glass houses. >>> >>> This is the “liberal Christianity” which Obama and others hail, because >>> its chief purpose is to silence Christians from condemning and combatting >>> what are otherwise clear evils. Christians are being persecuted by Muslims >>> all around the world? That’s okay, seems to be Obama’s response; just turn >>> the other cheek—have some more “humility” and “doubt,” show their Islamic >>> persecutors some more “love”—and everything will be set aright. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> __._,_.___ >>> ------------------------------ >>> Posted by: "beowulf" <[email protected]> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> Visit Your Group >>> <https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/grendelreport/info;_ylc=X3oDMTJmNDJudmFrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzIwMTk0ODA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTMyMzY2NwRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzE0MjkxMTU2MTI-> >>> >>> >>> [image: Yahoo! 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