They are equally brutal to the animal: http://www.kosherquest.org/bookhtml/SHECHITA_THROUGH_BUTCHER.htm
I eat meat, so I don't complain that animals are killed, I buy meat at the grocery store and am very far removed from the actual killing part ... if I had to kill it myself, I would end up being a vegetarian!!! On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:58 AM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> wrote: > Good Morning Brine! > > I have no doubt that the process of "Halal" and "Kosher" have > similarities. As I understand it, the Halal process is much more brutal > and REQUIRES sufferinig from the animal, versus the Kosher practice. > > Whether the article was slanted or not, the article discussed the illegal > activity of Halal processing plants incorporating previously killed > carcassees within their process, (like roadkill) which is disgusting. > > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2015 at 8:13 AM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> wrote: > >> The article was slanted ... I gave you the basic facts about the two >> religion's processing of meat!!! Disprove the 2 facts I stated!!! >> >> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 5:08 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> You obviously didn't read the article either Brine..... >>> >>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 5:06 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Simple ... BOTH slit the throats of the animal and drain its blood ... >>>> the meat has to be bloodless, the other is that BOTH require the butcher to >>>> be circumcised!!! >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 5:00 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> You obviously didn't read the article, and know and understand the >>>>> distinction between "Halal" and "Kosher" blessed foods. >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Oct 20, 2015 at 1:17 PM, plainolamerican < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> SAN FRANCISCO (JTA) — What’s the largest kosher restaurant chain? >>>>>> >>>>>> Mendy’s? Six branches, seven if you count the meat and dairy counters >>>>>> at New York City’s Grand Central Station. >>>>>> >>>>>> Dougie’s? Five branches in New York and New Jersey. >>>>>> BREAKING NEWS <http://www.jta.org/category/top-headlines/> >>>>>> >>>>>> - UNESCO head ‘deplores’ proposal declaring Western Wall a Muslim >>>>>> site >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.jta.org/2015/10/20/news-opinion/israel-middle-east/unesco-head-deplores-proposal-declaring-western-wall-a-muslim-site> >>>>>> - Gravestones toppled at Czech Jewish cemetery >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.jta.org/2015/10/20/news-opinion/world/gravestones-toppled-at-czech-jewish-cemetery> >>>>>> - Jewish, Muslim cemeteries vandalized in Austrian town >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.jta.org/2015/10/20/news-opinion/world/jewish-muslim-cemeteries-vandalized-in-austrian-town> >>>>>> >>>>>> Don’t even bring up Nathan’s Famous — it stopped making kosher hot >>>>>> dogs altogether. >>>>>> >>>>>> The dark-horse winner is Subway, the made-to-order sandwich giant >>>>>> poised to open its ninth kosher franchise Aug. 18 inside the Michael-Ann >>>>>> Russell Jewish Community Center in North Miami Beach, Fla. New Subways >>>>>> opening in Indianapolis and Skokie, Ill., will make it 11 by the end of >>>>>> the >>>>>> year. Five more are planned for next year. >>>>>> >>>>>> Subway is not the only fast-food chain with kosher branches. Dunkin’ >>>>>> Donuts, the world’s largest coffee and baked goods chain, has 33 kosher >>>>>> franchises, mostly in New York, according to company spokesman Andrew >>>>>> Mastrangelo. They serve dairy breakfast sandwiches, but not full meals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Subway, the second largest fast-food franchise in the world, didn’t >>>>>> set out to be No. 1 in the kosher market. Staffers at company >>>>>> headquarters >>>>>> in Milford, Conn., seemed bemused by the news. >>>>>> >>>>>> “Really?” laughed Kevin Kane in the marketing department. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sure, 11 kosher stores pales in comparison to the 22,000 non-kosher >>>>>> Subways in the United States, or to the hundreds of halal Subways in >>>>>> England and the Arab world. But it’s more than anyone else is offering. >>>>>> >>>>>> And it’s a creative solution for Jewish community centers that want >>>>>> to offer kosher food but don’t want to take the financial risk >>>>>> themselves. >>>>>> Some would rather offer no food than violate kosher law. >>>>>> >>>>>> “There are very few JCCs that run successful food establishments,” >>>>>> says Eric Koehler, director of the JCC of Northern Virginia, which has >>>>>> never provided food services in its building. “In this economy, it >>>>>> doesn’t >>>>>> make sense to have something that loses $20,000 to $30,000 a year.” >>>>>> >>>>>> That’s why the Mandel JCC in Cleveland rented space to the country’s >>>>>> first kosher Subway in May 2006. The center had offered only kosher >>>>>> dining >>>>>> options since it opened in 1986, but none lasted very long. When Michael >>>>>> Hyman arrived in 2004 as the center’s new director, he closed the >>>>>> building’s last struggling cafe without knowing whether he could replace >>>>>> it. >>>>>> >>>>>> In stepped Ghazi Faddoul, a Lebanese Christian who had opened 100 >>>>>> Subways in Cleveland and was willing to give kosher a try with the clout >>>>>> of >>>>>> a global chain behind him. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ham and bacon were removed from the menu, the “cheese” is made of >>>>>> soy, and the Seafood Sensation sandwich is filled with imitation crab. >>>>>> Two >>>>>> microwaves and toaster ovens ensure that fish and meat are kept >>>>>> separate, a >>>>>> consideration for more observant Jews. There is a full-time mashgiach, or >>>>>> kosher supervisor, and the restaurant is closed on Shabbat. >>>>>> >>>>>> “It’s been wildly successful,” Hyman says.In June, the JCC of Greater >>>>>> Washington in Rockville, Md., picked up on Cleveland’s experience, >>>>>> opening >>>>>> a kosher Subway in a space formerly filled by a kosher Dunkin’ Donuts. >>>>>> Executive director Michael Feinstein says the center has been getting >>>>>> much >>>>>> more foot traffic since it opened, particularly from Orthodox Jews. >>>>>> >>>>>> “There aren’t that many kosher restaurants in the D.C. area, so it’s >>>>>> nice for the community to have this option,” Feinstein says. “And it’s >>>>>> great for us because it gets people into our building who might not >>>>>> otherwise be there.” >>>>>> >>>>>> The Miami Beach JCC also looked to Cleveland’s example. The center’s >>>>>> director, Gary Bomzer, notes that the building already has an in-house >>>>>> kosher caterer, but no sit-down restaurant. >>>>>> >>>>>> “Bringing in a national chain gives us real credibility,” he >>>>>> explains. “A brand name like Subway provides more than a cup of coffee.” >>>>>> >>>>>> The remaining kosher Subways are freestanding stores: two in New York >>>>>> City, in Brooklyn and Queens, as well as one in Cedarhurst in the city’s >>>>>> Long Island suburbs; and one each in Los Angeles, Baltimore and Kansas >>>>>> City. >>>>>> >>>>>> The U.S. stores are the only kosher Subways. Israel opened the >>>>>> world’s first kosher Subway in 1992 but the operation, which reached 23 >>>>>> stores at its peak, shut down in 2004 after the original manager died. >>>>>> >>>>>> Subway spokesman Les Winograd says the company used its experience >>>>>> with halal, the Muslim standard, to learn how to deal with kashrut >>>>>> challenges such as sourcing specific meat and following strict dietary >>>>>> laws. The first halal Subway opened in Bahrain in 1984, followed by >>>>>> branches in Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the United Arab Emirates, Tanzania, >>>>>> Zambia and other countries with large Muslim communities. England alone >>>>>> has >>>>>> nearly 60 halal branches. >>>>>> >>>>>> Kosher Subways are more difficult to keep open, Winograd says. Some >>>>>> open and shut, like one that lasted for about a year in Livingston, N.J., >>>>>> and a Wall Street branch that closed last winter when the economy >>>>>> collapsed. >>>>>> >>>>>> While Winograd receives lots of inquiries from potential franchise >>>>>> owners in other countries who are interested in the kosher option, none >>>>>> have panned out. >>>>>> >>>>>> “The population has not always been there to support the business,” >>>>>> he says. >>>>>> >>>>>> Subway serves meat, so a kosher store requires full-time kosher >>>>>> supervision — an extra expense added to ingredients that already cost >>>>>> more >>>>>> than their non-kosher equivalents. >>>>>> >>>>>> Maurice Lichy, owner of the new Miami JCC Subway, says he’s trying to >>>>>> keep his prices “competitive” and hopes to charge no more than $1.50 >>>>>> extra >>>>>> per sandwich. >>>>>> >>>>>> Will he offer a kosher $5 Footlong? >>>>>> >>>>>> Lichy hesitates. >>>>>> >>>>>> “No," he says, "but I’ll try to manage a $6 Footlong. Probably tuna >>>>>> or turkey; not the corned beef.” >>>>>> >>>>>> On Monday, October 19, 2015 at 6:41:48 PM UTC-5, Bill wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Halal Meat, Please READ !!! >>>>>>> “Subway” now uses Halal Meat. “Costco” now selling Halal Meat You >>>>>>> decide what to do with this....... HALAL Meats are already in most of >>>>>>> our >>>>>>> local supermarkets, Watch what you buy!!------- Just another symptom of >>>>>>> Sharia law in the U.S. and Canada. There are 200 Subway restaurants in >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> U.S. that have removed all pork products and added Halal meat to the >>>>>>> menu! >>>>>>> Have You Seen this on Meat Labels??? >>>>>>> Take a look and forward to your friends and family. Do Not buy this >>>>>>> meat! "Costco” is stocking their meat counters with " Halal" meat." I >>>>>>> shopped for groceries at my local Wal-Mart. As usual, I bought a bag of >>>>>>> frozen chicken breasts, but this time I checked to make sure the meat >>>>>>> was >>>>>>> not labeled >>>>>>> "Halal." Here's why: Halal is the Islamic term that basically means >>>>>>> the meat is lawful to eat for a devout Muslim. What makes it lawful or >>>>>>> acceptable is that the meat has been processed in a very specific way. >>>>>>> Unlike kosher food, where the physical processing of the meat is the >>>>>>> focus, >>>>>>> for Islam it is the spiritual component that makes the meat lawful. Ann >>>>>>> Barnhardt, a cattle commodities broker, has more about " Halal." "NEVER >>>>>>> buy >>>>>>> meat that is marked as " Halal." I am in the cattle business, and >>>>>>> believe >>>>>>> me when I tell you that Halal kill plants are CONSTANTLY being cited and >>>>>>> shut down by the USDA for horrific infractions. Most of these plants >>>>>>> are in >>>>>>> Michigan and upstate New York . One of the things that Halal Kill Plants >>>>>>> are notorious for is putting already-dead animals in the human >>>>>>> consumption >>>>>>> line. They will go pick up a dead cow off of a farm or ranch and >>>>>>> instead of >>>>>>> putting it in their rendering tank where the resulting " tankage" is >>>>>>> worth >>>>>>> pennies on the dollar as pet food or industrial products, they will >>>>>>> shackle >>>>>>> the dead animal on the normal kill line and process it as human food >>>>>>> which >>>>>>> is the highest-dollar product. This kind of sickening behavior is >>>>>>> standard. >>>>>>> Halal plants are also notorious for general citations for filth and >>>>>>> uncleanliness. I have toured normal cattle slaughter plants, and in >>>>>>> most >>>>>>> cases, you could eat off of the floor. Everything is white and men walk >>>>>>> around with water hoses and steam guns constantly keeping everything in >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> state of spotlessness. Halal plants are filthy. A lot of Halal meat is >>>>>>> also labeled as "organic." Again, don't be fooled into thinking that " >>>>>>> halal" means "better." It isn't. I would never, ever knowingly eat halal >>>>>>> meat purely from a food safety perspective." THIS IS COMING AND LOOK OUT >>>>>>> FOR THIS INTRUSION IN U.S. And CANADIAN >>>>>>> MARKETS... " Halal" meat... Are you aware of this? Take a look and >>>>>>> forward to your friends and family. 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