the fact remains he was running away from Slager when Slager shot him 7 times. --- there's no excuse for a policeman to shoot an unarmed citizen in the back.
I think charging him with murder in that case is appropriate. --- so do I ... and the charges were appropriate for those who shot the unarmed black man in NYC 16 times. On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 3:14:03 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote: > > > I don't know Keith. While I'd not seen or heard anything about the taser > issue with Walter Scott, the fact remains he was running away from Slager > when Slager shot him 7 times. I think charging him with murder in that case > is appropriate. > > On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 3:05:51 PM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote: >> >> Watching the uniformed speculate over false narratives is always amusing! >> >> >> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/04/walter-scott-shooting-case-update-officer-michael-slager-bonded-from-jail-judge-and-prosecutor-deny-speedy-trial/ >> >> >> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/04/12/game-changer-or-paradigm-shift-walter-scott-shooting-enhanced-video-shows-officer-slager-with-taser-darts/ >> >> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 1:34 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> According to the FBI there were 27 murdered on the job in 2014 and 51 >>> (yes, FIFTY-ONE) murdered on the job in 2015. >>> There have been at least 26 police officers killed on the job using guns >>> so far this year. That means we will no doubt lose at least 50 by the end >>> of the year >>> --- >>> so there must also have been a war on police last year also, right? >>> >>> there needs to be a war on policemen who shoot unarmed civilians in the >>> back. >>> >>> >>> On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 9:21:12 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> The data cited in your article is quite outdated. Most of it only goes >>>> through 2012 and this is 2016. The militant black movements didn't start >>>> getting support from the mainstream media, NFL players, celebrities, and >>>> every dumbass democrat in the House of Representatives until late 2014 >>>> after months of the "hands up don't shoot" bs lies they all pushed to the >>>> mobs. >>>> >>>> According to the FBI there were 27 murdered on the job in 2014 and 51 >>>> (yes, FIFTY-ONE) murdered on the job in 2015. >>>> >>>> There have been at least 26 police officers killed on the job using >>>> guns so far this year. That means we will no doubt lose at least 50 by the >>>> end of the year even if it doesn't get any worse. That's more than TWICE - >>>> and almost THREE TIMES the number of blacks who were killed by cops who >>>> weren't doing something to warrant being killed. >>>> >>>> So what there isn't is a war or open season on black people. THAT is >>>> the lie that needs to stop being told. There IS, however, an ALARMING >>>> increase in the number of cops being shot by murderous thugs doing so >>>> based >>>> on the PACK OF LIES being fed to them by disgusting democrats, a dishonest >>>> media, and black activists. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 5:45:37 PM UTC-4, MJ wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Karen DeCoster >>>>> >>>>> *"Let Radley Balko's article shut up all of the hyperventilating >>>>> diptards. Facts are more powerful than your state-worship and >>>>> ignorance-based cliché recitals. " *September 10, 2015 >>>>> >>>>> *Once again: There is no ‘war on cops.’ And those who claim otherwise >>>>> are playing a dangerous game. *By Radley Balko >>>>> >>>>> Here’s Fox News earlier this week, shamelessly exploiting a tragedy to >>>>> gin up outrage. >>>>> http://youtu.be/x9uJHbXpMoU >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They certainly aren’t the only ones. Here are some more examples of >>>>> media outlets and politicians spreading the hysteria: >>>>> >>>>> - “War On Police Sparks National Crime Wave” >>>>> >>>>> <http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/090315-769630-war-on-police-fuels-national-crime-wave.htm> >>>>> >>>>> - “Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick: There’s A War On Cops And Media ‘Are Not >>>>> In Police Officers’ Corner'” >>>>> >>>>> <http://keranews.org/post/lt-gov-dan-patrick-there-s-war-cops-and-media-are-not-police-officers-corner> >>>>> >>>>> - “Police face recruiting shortage due to war on cops” >>>>> >>>>> <http://nypost.com/2015/09/07/police-face-recruiting-shortage-due-to-war-on-cops/> >>>>> >>>>> - “Do Cops’ Lives Matter to Obama?” >>>>> >>>>> <http://www.creators.com/opinion/pat-buchanan/do-cops-lives-matter-to-obama.html> >>>>> >>>>> - “[New York Police Chief] Bratton warns of tough times ahead due >>>>> to ‘war on cops'” >>>>> >>>>> <http://nypost.com/2015/09/01/bratton-warns-tough-times-ahead-due-to-war-on-cops/> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> As I’ve noted here before, we’re seeing similar rhetoric from >>>>> politicians, particularly from GOP presidential hopefuls, including >>>>> Donald >>>>> Trump >>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwiluonVntvHAhWMGj4KHVH4DEE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2015%2F08%2F29%2Ftrump-in-tennessee-downplays-police-brutality-promises-to-get-rid-of-gangs%2F&usg=AFQjCNGui_Bt4Y3H6WAqTfDAYsjwb6Xwbw&sig2=yxNyOcv5Baxu3zBZMH_cMA>, >>>>> >>>>> Ted Cruz >>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QqQIwAGoVChMIutzS3p7bxwIVgnE-Ch1K6g2N&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.com%2Frachel-maddow-show%2Fted-cruz-shows-how-not-respond-police-killings&usg=AFQjCNE4qkak84teylpnfVZ2njiLAsbBIg&sig2=Om0suqndg5UpN_fgSH_puw&bvm=bv.101800829,d.cWw>, >>>>> >>>>> and Scott Walker. >>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/09/03/scott-walker-couldnt-be-more-wrong-about-the-threat-to-police-officers/> >>>>> >>>>> All of this fact-free fearmongering is having an effect. A Rasmussen >>>>> poll taken last week >>>>> <http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/august_2015/58_think_there_s_a_war_on_police_in_america_today>found >>>>> >>>>> that 58 percent of respondents now believe there is now a “war on >>>>> police.” >>>>> Just 27 percent disagreed. >>>>> >>>>> So let’s go through the numbers. Again >>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/10/02/once-again-police-work-is-not-getting-more-dangerous/>. >>>>> >>>>> So far, 2015 is on pace to see 35 felonious killings of police officers. >>>>> If >>>>> that pace holds, this year would end with the second lowest number of >>>>> murdered cops in decades. Here’s a graph depicting annual killings of >>>>> cops >>>>> with firearms from Mark A. Perry at the American Enterprise Institute: >>>>> <https://www.aei.org/publication/is-there-really-a-war-on-cops-the-data-show-that-2015-will-likely-be-one-of-the-safest-years-in-history-for-police/> >>>>> [image: PerryAEI] >>>>> >>>>> But these are just the raw numbers. If we look at the *rate* of >>>>> killings of cops, the trend is more pronounced. There are two ways >>>>> examine >>>>> the rate of police killings. The first is to look at the rate of killings >>>>> of cops per 100K cops on the street. This figure is somewhat difficult to >>>>> calculate because there are widely varying estimates of how many cops are >>>>> on the street. It depends on how you define “police officer,” who is >>>>> doing >>>>> the estimating, and various other factors. But if you use consistent >>>>> sources, the number of police has generally gone up, while the number of >>>>> officers killed has generally gone down. So your graph looks something >>>>> like >>>>> this one, from Dan Wang >>>>> <http://danwang.co/statistics-on-police-fatalities/>: >>>>> [image: FKPer100KCops] >>>>> >>>>> The other way you could measure the rate of killings of police >>>>> officers is to look at the number with respect to the overall population. >>>>> Here’s another graph from Perry that plots those figures: >>>>> [image: police1] >>>>> >>>>> As you can see, by this measure 2015 is shaping up to be the second >>>>> safest year for police *ever, *after 2013. >>>>> >>>>> Speaking of which, it’s important to note again here that 2013 was an >>>>> abnormally and historically low year for police fatalities, as this graph >>>>> from University of South Carolina law professor (and former police >>>>> officer) >>>>> Seth Stoughton shows. >>>>> >>>>> [Tweets @ link] >>>>> >>>>> So when police advocates say that 2014 saw an 80+ percent increase in >>>>> homicides of cops over 2013, remember a few things: First, 2013 wasn’t >>>>> just >>>>> an all-time low, it was an all-time low by a significant margin. Second, >>>>> the 2013 figure was so low that even a small increase will look large >>>>> when >>>>> expressed as a percentage. Third, the figure for the following year, >>>>> 2014, >>>>> (51 officers killed) was essentially consistent with the average for the >>>>> previous five years (50 killed), and still lower than any five-year >>>>> average >>>>> going back to 1960. ( See this graph >>>>> <http://i1.wp.com/danwang.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/average-police-fatalities-decade.png>, >>>>> >>>>> also from Wang.) Fourth, again, 2015 is on pace (35 killings) to be lower >>>>> than any year but 2013. Another common response from police organizations >>>>> and their advocates is that the reduction in fatalities is due to better >>>>> medical care and improvements in protective gear such as bulletproof >>>>> vests. >>>>> Both things are undoubtedly true. But *assaults* on police officers >>>>> are in decline as well. That is, not only are fewer people killing police >>>>> officers, fewer people are trying to harm them. These graphs from >>>>> Stoughton >>>>> show the raw numbers of assaults on police: >>>>> [image: AssaultGraph] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> [image: WeaponGraph] >>>>> >>>>> As you can see, at best you could argue that assaults on police with >>>>> firearms are about even with where they’ve been for most of the last >>>>> decade, save for a dip in 2009 and 2010. But these too are raw figures. >>>>> When we look at the rate of assault on cops, from either the perspective >>>>> of >>>>> total cops or total population, the downward trend once again becomes >>>>> more >>>>> pronounced. From Daniel Bier >>>>> <http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2014/08/21/methodological-notes-on-police-fatalities-and-assaults/>, >>>>> >>>>> here are two graphs looking at the assault *rates* on police officers. >>>>> [image: 20150320_assaultandinjuryrates1] >>>>> >>>>> Any murder of a police officer is a tragedy. (As is any murder of a >>>>> non-police officer.) But media outlets, politicians, and police advocates >>>>> do real damage when they push this false narrative about a rising threat >>>>> to >>>>> law enforcement. First, this sort of propaganda weights the public debate >>>>> and discourse. When there’s a fictional “war on cops” blaring in the >>>>> background, it becomes much more difficult to have an honest discussion >>>>> about police cameras, police militarization, use of lethal force >>>>> policies, >>>>> police discipline, police transparency >>>>> <https://twitter.com/romenesko/status/639220767553626112>, training, >>>>> police accountability, and a host of other issues. Of course, that’s >>>>> precisely the point. >>>>> >>>>> But there’s also a much more pernicious effect of exaggerating the >>>>> threats faced by law enforcement. When cops are constantly told that >>>>> they’re under constant fire, or that every interaction with a citizen >>>>> could >>>>> be their last, or that they’re fortunate each time they come home from >>>>> the >>>>> job in one piece, it’s absolute poison for police-community relations. >>>>> That >>>>> kind of reminder on a regular basis would put *anyone* on edge. We’re >>>>> putting police officers in a perpetually combative mindset that >>>>> psychologically isolates them from the communities they serve. >>>>> Incessantly >>>>> telling cops that they’re under fire can condition them to see the people >>>>> with whom they interact not as citizens with rights, but as potential >>>>> threats. That not only means more animosity, anger and confrontation, it >>>>> can also be a barrier to building relationships with people in the >>>>> community the sorts of relationships that help police officers solve >>>>> crimes and keep communities safe. >>>>> >>>>> It also just makes for a miserable work life. If you’ve been trained >>>>> to think your job is getting progressively more dangerous, and that a >>>>> significant percentage of the people you encounter on a daily basis want >>>>> to >>>>> do you harm, you’re going to be less tolerant of dissent. You’re going to >>>>> constantly be on-guard, on-edge, and jumpy. That isn’t a state of mind >>>>> that’s conducive to de-escalation, that opts for persuasion over brute >>>>> force, or seeks out peaceful conflict resolution. It’s a state of mind >>>>> ruled by the limbic system, not the frontal lobe. And yes, it’s a state >>>>> of >>>>> mind that makes an officer more likely to reach for his gun >>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/09/26/a-sort-of-defense-of-south-carolina-state-trooper-sean-groubert/>. >>>>> >>>>> Again, this isn’t a comment on cops. It’s a comment on human beings in >>>>> general. >>>>> >>>>> An over-emphasis on and obsession with a “war on cops” would be >>>>> dangerous and counterproductive even if it were true. But by every >>>>> imaginable measure, it *just isn’t true*. When this false narrative >>>>> comes from police organizations and their supporters, it’s at least >>>>> somewhat understandable. When it comes from politicians, it’s >>>>> grandstanding >>>>> and demagoguery. When it comes from media organizations, it’s >>>>> journalistic >>>>> malpractice. And it’s almost certainly getting people killed. >>>>> >>>>> One last point: I’ve seen some police officials and their advocates >>>>> respond to these statistics by pointing out that even if assaults and >>>>> killings of cops are down, anti-police *rhetoric* is increasing. >>>>> Therefore, they say, they’re justified in proclaiming that there’s a war >>>>> on >>>>> the police. This is nonsense. Police agencies are government agencies. >>>>> They’re government agencies in whom we entrust the power to detain, >>>>> arrest, >>>>> and kill. Yes, it’s true that some people are demanding more of those >>>>> agencies. It’s true that personal technology is enabling people to create >>>>> an independent video narrative of their interactions with police. It’s >>>>> true >>>>> that those videos have sometimes revealed police misconduct and >>>>> brutality, >>>>> and that police officers, like all people, sometimes mis-remember, >>>>> misstate, and outright lie when recounting contentious, traumatic, >>>>> high-stakes incidents. And it’s true that because of all of this, the >>>>> public as a whole today finds police officers as a whole less >>>>> trustworthy than in the past >>>>> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/26/public-trust-police-low-poll-finds/>. >>>>> >>>>> It’s also true that some activists, pundits, and politicians are >>>>> demanding >>>>> more accountability, transparency, and training for police. >>>>> >>>>> None of these things are indicative of a “war.” On the contrary, all >>>>> of this new skepticism, criticism, forced transparency, and mistrust of >>>>> the >>>>> police is again coming even as violence against police officers is >>>>> reaching historic lows. This is how a democracy is supposed to work. It’s >>>>> something worth celebrating. >>>>> >>>>> Instead, police groups and their advocates are claiming that the mere >>>>> act of criticizing a government entity is akin to declaring war on it, >>>>> and >>>>> that therefore, police critics are culpable every time a police officer >>>>> is >>>>> murdered. (And given the way they ignore and abuse statistics, those >>>>> critics are also apparently culpable for a lot of murders that never >>>>> happened.) They’re essentially saying that exercising constitutional >>>>> rights >>>>> and participating in democracy are in and of themselves acts of violence. >>>>> And in many cases, this is coming from the very people that the >>>>> government >>>>> empowers to use actual violence. >>>>> >>>>> *That* is something worth worrying about. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/09/10/once-again-there-is-no-war-on-cops-and-those-who-claim-otherwise-are-playing-a-dangerous-game/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>> -- >>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>> >>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>> * It's active and moderated. 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