I think there very well could be more to this story. The taser guide-wires are still connected to Slager; and it appears that Slager believed that Scott was running away with the taser cartridge; the guide wires which are about 35 feet long.
My point, is that once again, there's more to the story and a false narrative, which we've seen far too often. On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 4:21 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> wrote: > the fact remains he was running away from Slager when Slager shot him 7 > times. > --- > there's no excuse for a policeman to shoot an unarmed citizen in the back. > > > I think charging him with murder in that case is appropriate. > --- > so do I ... and the charges were appropriate for those who shot the > unarmed black man in NYC 16 times. > > > On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 3:14:03 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote: >> >> >> I don't know Keith. While I'd not seen or heard anything about the taser >> issue with Walter Scott, the fact remains he was running away from Slager >> when Slager shot him 7 times. I think charging him with murder in that case >> is appropriate. >> >> On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 3:05:51 PM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote: >>> >>> Watching the uniformed speculate over false narratives is always amusing! >>> >>> >>> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/01/04/walter-scott-shooting-case-update-officer-michael-slager-bonded-from-jail-judge-and-prosecutor-deny-speedy-trial/ >>> >>> >>> https://theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/04/12/game-changer-or-paradigm-shift-walter-scott-shooting-enhanced-video-shows-officer-slager-with-taser-darts/ >>> >>> On Mon, Jul 11, 2016 at 1:34 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> According to the FBI there were 27 murdered on the job in 2014 and 51 >>>> (yes, FIFTY-ONE) murdered on the job in 2015. >>>> There have been at least 26 police officers killed on the job using >>>> guns so far this year. That means we will no doubt lose at least 50 by the >>>> end of the year >>>> --- >>>> so there must also have been a war on police last year also, right? >>>> >>>> there needs to be a war on policemen who shoot unarmed civilians in the >>>> back. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 9:21:12 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The data cited in your article is quite outdated. Most of it only goes >>>>> through 2012 and this is 2016. The militant black movements didn't start >>>>> getting support from the mainstream media, NFL players, celebrities, and >>>>> every dumbass democrat in the House of Representatives until late 2014 >>>>> after months of the "hands up don't shoot" bs lies they all pushed to the >>>>> mobs. >>>>> >>>>> According to the FBI there were 27 murdered on the job in 2014 and 51 >>>>> (yes, FIFTY-ONE) murdered on the job in 2015. >>>>> >>>>> There have been at least 26 police officers killed on the job using >>>>> guns so far this year. That means we will no doubt lose at least 50 by the >>>>> end of the year even if it doesn't get any worse. That's more than TWICE - >>>>> and almost THREE TIMES the number of blacks who were killed by cops who >>>>> weren't doing something to warrant being killed. >>>>> >>>>> So what there isn't is a war or open season on black people. THAT is >>>>> the lie that needs to stop being told. There IS, however, an ALARMING >>>>> increase in the number of cops being shot by murderous thugs doing so >>>>> based >>>>> on the PACK OF LIES being fed to them by disgusting democrats, a dishonest >>>>> media, and black activists. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 5:45:37 PM UTC-4, MJ wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Karen DeCoster >>>>>> >>>>>> *"Let Radley Balko's article shut up all of the hyperventilating >>>>>> diptards. Facts are more powerful than your state-worship and >>>>>> ignorance-based cliché recitals. " *September 10, 2015 >>>>>> >>>>>> *Once again: There is no ‘war on cops.’ And those who claim otherwise >>>>>> are playing a dangerous game. *By Radley Balko >>>>>> >>>>>> Here’s Fox News earlier this week, shamelessly exploiting a tragedy >>>>>> to gin up outrage. >>>>>> http://youtu.be/x9uJHbXpMoU >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They certainly aren’t the only ones. Here are some more examples of >>>>>> media outlets and politicians spreading the hysteria: >>>>>> >>>>>> - “War On Police Sparks National Crime Wave” >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/090315-769630-war-on-police-fuels-national-crime-wave.htm> >>>>>> - “Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick: There’s A War On Cops And Media ‘Are Not >>>>>> In Police Officers’ Corner'” >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://keranews.org/post/lt-gov-dan-patrick-there-s-war-cops-and-media-are-not-police-officers-corner> >>>>>> - “Police face recruiting shortage due to war on cops” >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://nypost.com/2015/09/07/police-face-recruiting-shortage-due-to-war-on-cops/> >>>>>> - “Do Cops’ Lives Matter to Obama?” >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://www.creators.com/opinion/pat-buchanan/do-cops-lives-matter-to-obama.html> >>>>>> - “[New York Police Chief] Bratton warns of tough times ahead due >>>>>> to ‘war on cops'” >>>>>> >>>>>> <http://nypost.com/2015/09/01/bratton-warns-tough-times-ahead-due-to-war-on-cops/> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> As I’ve noted here before, we’re seeing similar rhetoric from >>>>>> politicians, particularly from GOP presidential hopefuls, including >>>>>> Donald >>>>>> Trump >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QFjAAahUKEwiluonVntvHAhWMGj4KHVH4DEE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.washingtonpost.com%2Fnews%2Fpost-politics%2Fwp%2F2015%2F08%2F29%2Ftrump-in-tennessee-downplays-police-brutality-promises-to-get-rid-of-gangs%2F&usg=AFQjCNGui_Bt4Y3H6WAqTfDAYsjwb6Xwbw&sig2=yxNyOcv5Baxu3zBZMH_cMA>, >>>>>> Ted Cruz >>>>>> <https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CB8QqQIwAGoVChMIutzS3p7bxwIVgnE-Ch1K6g2N&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.msnbc.com%2Frachel-maddow-show%2Fted-cruz-shows-how-not-respond-police-killings&usg=AFQjCNE4qkak84teylpnfVZ2njiLAsbBIg&sig2=Om0suqndg5UpN_fgSH_puw&bvm=bv.101800829,d.cWw>, >>>>>> and Scott Walker. >>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/09/03/scott-walker-couldnt-be-more-wrong-about-the-threat-to-police-officers/> >>>>>> >>>>>> All of this fact-free fearmongering is having an effect. A Rasmussen >>>>>> poll taken last week >>>>>> <http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/lifestyle/general_lifestyle/august_2015/58_think_there_s_a_war_on_police_in_america_today>found >>>>>> that 58 percent of respondents now believe there is now a “war on >>>>>> police.” >>>>>> Just 27 percent disagreed. >>>>>> >>>>>> So let’s go through the numbers. Again >>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/10/02/once-again-police-work-is-not-getting-more-dangerous/>. >>>>>> So far, 2015 is on pace to see 35 felonious killings of police officers. >>>>>> If >>>>>> that pace holds, this year would end with the second lowest number of >>>>>> murdered cops in decades. Here’s a graph depicting annual killings of >>>>>> cops >>>>>> with firearms from Mark A. Perry at the American Enterprise >>>>>> Institute: >>>>>> <https://www.aei.org/publication/is-there-really-a-war-on-cops-the-data-show-that-2015-will-likely-be-one-of-the-safest-years-in-history-for-police/> >>>>>> [image: PerryAEI] >>>>>> >>>>>> But these are just the raw numbers. If we look at the *rate* of >>>>>> killings of cops, the trend is more pronounced. There are two ways >>>>>> examine >>>>>> the rate of police killings. The first is to look at the rate of killings >>>>>> of cops per 100K cops on the street. This figure is somewhat difficult to >>>>>> calculate because there are widely varying estimates of how many cops are >>>>>> on the street. It depends on how you define “police officer,” who is >>>>>> doing >>>>>> the estimating, and various other factors. But if you use consistent >>>>>> sources, the number of police has generally gone up, while the number of >>>>>> officers killed has generally gone down. So your graph looks something >>>>>> like >>>>>> this one, from Dan Wang >>>>>> <http://danwang.co/statistics-on-police-fatalities/>: >>>>>> [image: FKPer100KCops] >>>>>> >>>>>> The other way you could measure the rate of killings of police >>>>>> officers is to look at the number with respect to the overall population. >>>>>> Here’s another graph from Perry that plots those figures: >>>>>> [image: police1] >>>>>> >>>>>> As you can see, by this measure 2015 is shaping up to be the second >>>>>> safest year for police *ever, *after 2013. >>>>>> >>>>>> Speaking of which, it’s important to note again here that 2013 was an >>>>>> abnormally and historically low year for police fatalities, as this graph >>>>>> from University of South Carolina law professor (and former police >>>>>> officer) >>>>>> Seth Stoughton shows. >>>>>> >>>>>> [Tweets @ link] >>>>>> >>>>>> So when police advocates say that 2014 saw an 80+ percent increase in >>>>>> homicides of cops over 2013, remember a few things: First, 2013 wasn’t >>>>>> just >>>>>> an all-time low, it was an all-time low by a significant margin. Second, >>>>>> the 2013 figure was so low that even a small increase will look large >>>>>> when >>>>>> expressed as a percentage. Third, the figure for the following year, >>>>>> 2014, >>>>>> (51 officers killed) was essentially consistent with the average for the >>>>>> previous five years (50 killed), and still lower than any five-year >>>>>> average >>>>>> going back to 1960. ( See this graph >>>>>> <http://i1.wp.com/danwang.co/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/average-police-fatalities-decade.png>, >>>>>> also from Wang.) Fourth, again, 2015 is on pace (35 killings) to be lower >>>>>> than any year but 2013. Another common response from police organizations >>>>>> and their advocates is that the reduction in fatalities is due to better >>>>>> medical care and improvements in protective gear such as bulletproof >>>>>> vests. >>>>>> Both things are undoubtedly true. But *assaults* on police officers >>>>>> are in decline as well. That is, not only are fewer people killing police >>>>>> officers, fewer people are trying to harm them. These graphs from >>>>>> Stoughton >>>>>> show the raw numbers of assaults on police: >>>>>> [image: AssaultGraph] >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> [image: WeaponGraph] >>>>>> >>>>>> As you can see, at best you could argue that assaults on police with >>>>>> firearms are about even with where they’ve been for most of the last >>>>>> decade, save for a dip in 2009 and 2010. But these too are raw figures. >>>>>> When we look at the rate of assault on cops, from either the perspective >>>>>> of >>>>>> total cops or total population, the downward trend once again becomes >>>>>> more >>>>>> pronounced. From Daniel Bier >>>>>> <http://blog.skepticallibertarian.com/2014/08/21/methodological-notes-on-police-fatalities-and-assaults/>, >>>>>> here are two graphs looking at the assault *rates* on police >>>>>> officers. >>>>>> [image: 20150320_assaultandinjuryrates1] >>>>>> >>>>>> Any murder of a police officer is a tragedy. (As is any murder of a >>>>>> non-police officer.) But media outlets, politicians, and police advocates >>>>>> do real damage when they push this false narrative about a rising threat >>>>>> to >>>>>> law enforcement. First, this sort of propaganda weights the public debate >>>>>> and discourse. When there’s a fictional “war on cops” blaring in the >>>>>> background, it becomes much more difficult to have an honest discussion >>>>>> about police cameras, police militarization, use of lethal force >>>>>> policies, >>>>>> police discipline, police transparency >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/romenesko/status/639220767553626112>, training, >>>>>> police accountability, and a host of other issues. Of course, that’s >>>>>> precisely the point. >>>>>> >>>>>> But there’s also a much more pernicious effect of exaggerating the >>>>>> threats faced by law enforcement. When cops are constantly told that >>>>>> they’re under constant fire, or that every interaction with a citizen >>>>>> could >>>>>> be their last, or that they’re fortunate each time they come home from >>>>>> the >>>>>> job in one piece, it’s absolute poison for police-community relations. >>>>>> That >>>>>> kind of reminder on a regular basis would put *anyone* on edge. >>>>>> We’re putting police officers in a perpetually combative mindset that >>>>>> psychologically isolates them from the communities they serve. >>>>>> Incessantly >>>>>> telling cops that they’re under fire can condition them to see the people >>>>>> with whom they interact not as citizens with rights, but as potential >>>>>> threats. That not only means more animosity, anger and confrontation, it >>>>>> can also be a barrier to building relationships with people in the >>>>>> community the sorts of relationships that help police officers solve >>>>>> crimes and keep communities safe. >>>>>> >>>>>> It also just makes for a miserable work life. If you’ve been trained >>>>>> to think your job is getting progressively more dangerous, and that a >>>>>> significant percentage of the people you encounter on a daily basis want >>>>>> to >>>>>> do you harm, you’re going to be less tolerant of dissent. You’re going to >>>>>> constantly be on-guard, on-edge, and jumpy. That isn’t a state of mind >>>>>> that’s conducive to de-escalation, that opts for persuasion over brute >>>>>> force, or seeks out peaceful conflict resolution. It’s a state of mind >>>>>> ruled by the limbic system, not the frontal lobe. And yes, it’s a state >>>>>> of >>>>>> mind that makes an officer more likely to reach for his gun >>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2014/09/26/a-sort-of-defense-of-south-carolina-state-trooper-sean-groubert/>. >>>>>> Again, this isn’t a comment on cops. It’s a comment on human beings in >>>>>> general. >>>>>> >>>>>> An over-emphasis on and obsession with a “war on cops” would be >>>>>> dangerous and counterproductive even if it were true. But by every >>>>>> imaginable measure, it *just isn’t true*. When this false narrative >>>>>> comes from police organizations and their supporters, it’s at least >>>>>> somewhat understandable. When it comes from politicians, it’s >>>>>> grandstanding >>>>>> and demagoguery. When it comes from media organizations, it’s >>>>>> journalistic >>>>>> malpractice. And it’s almost certainly getting people killed. >>>>>> >>>>>> One last point: I’ve seen some police officials and their advocates >>>>>> respond to these statistics by pointing out that even if assaults and >>>>>> killings of cops are down, anti-police *rhetoric* is increasing. >>>>>> Therefore, they say, they’re justified in proclaiming that there’s a war >>>>>> on >>>>>> the police. This is nonsense. Police agencies are government agencies. >>>>>> They’re government agencies in whom we entrust the power to detain, >>>>>> arrest, >>>>>> and kill. Yes, it’s true that some people are demanding more of those >>>>>> agencies. It’s true that personal technology is enabling people to create >>>>>> an independent video narrative of their interactions with police. It’s >>>>>> true >>>>>> that those videos have sometimes revealed police misconduct and >>>>>> brutality, >>>>>> and that police officers, like all people, sometimes mis-remember, >>>>>> misstate, and outright lie when recounting contentious, traumatic, >>>>>> high-stakes incidents. And it’s true that because of all of this, the >>>>>> public as a whole today finds police officers as a whole less >>>>>> trustworthy than in the past >>>>>> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/26/public-trust-police-low-poll-finds/>. >>>>>> It’s also true that some activists, pundits, and politicians are >>>>>> demanding >>>>>> more accountability, transparency, and training for police. >>>>>> >>>>>> None of these things are indicative of a “war.” On the contrary, all >>>>>> of this new skepticism, criticism, forced transparency, and mistrust of >>>>>> the >>>>>> police is again coming even as violence against police officers is >>>>>> reaching historic lows. This is how a democracy is supposed to work. It’s >>>>>> something worth celebrating. >>>>>> >>>>>> Instead, police groups and their advocates are claiming that the mere >>>>>> act of criticizing a government entity is akin to declaring war on it, >>>>>> and >>>>>> that therefore, police critics are culpable every time a police officer >>>>>> is >>>>>> murdered. (And given the way they ignore and abuse statistics, those >>>>>> critics are also apparently culpable for a lot of murders that never >>>>>> happened.) They’re essentially saying that exercising constitutional >>>>>> rights >>>>>> and participating in democracy are in and of themselves acts of violence. >>>>>> And in many cases, this is coming from the very people that the >>>>>> government >>>>>> empowers to use actual violence. >>>>>> >>>>>> *That* is something worth worrying about. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-watch/wp/2015/09/10/once-again-there-is-no-war-on-cops-and-those-who-claim-otherwise-are-playing-a-dangerous-game/ >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> * It's active and moderated. 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