As I originally pointed out, there were no Israelis "dancing" after
9/11....No one within the video clips, or in any news media has ever made
that allegation.

I spent over an hour reviewing and reading the reports of these purported
Israelis who were detained shortly after 9/11/2001; including the article
that Plain Ol posted.  Nothing all that significant....I even listened to
the New Jersey policeman who made the initial arrest of the original
five.....Again, nothing significant; despite an extensive interrogation and
detainment; multiple lie detector tests administered; and clearly no
connection whatsoever to the Islamic/Bin Laden attacks on 9/11.  It was
concluded that the Israelis here in the U.S. were sent here to spy on the
Islamic encampments that we allow to openly operate; and of which Plain Ol'
(and his far left secular progressive camp believes is, "Not An American
Concern".

Instead, this is old news, and even when it was contemporary;  it wasn't
the focal point of who was flying planes into our skyscrapers or
threatening our Nation......


On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:23 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]
> wrote:

> FOX News reported on "Five Dancing Israeli's" and come to find out, no one
> saw any Israeli's dancing....FOX News didn't report that; (the headlines
> are way, way, waaaay misleading!)
> ---
> http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbkQddEDPs0
>
> There were in fact five Israelis detained on Route 3 close to the
> Meadowlands; because of a report of a white van possibly with explosives.
> ---
> Fox News reported that there were more than 60 israelis detained after 911
> ... but who is counting?
>
> Come to find out, there were no explosives.....No weapons....The Israeli's
> were cooperative; and could very well have been Mossad Agents, but they
> were never charged...Never accused of "Dancing after 9/11"; and were
> released.
> ---
>
> The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in
> Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the
> United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge
> ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA
> officials in Washington put a hold on the case.
>
> The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of them
> were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were
> given as many as seven lie-detector tests.
>
> Plenty of Speculation
>
> Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and
> what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a
> respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two
> of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.
>
> Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with
> the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities'
> interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found
> in a search of a national intelligence database.
>
> Israeli Intelligence Connection?
>
> According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community
> believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli
> intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban
> Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an
> intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly
> in the New Jersey-New York area."
>
> Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against
> the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising
> and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was
> one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior
> to Sept. 11.
>
> For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be
> difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test
> for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his
> lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had
> once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.
>
> Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks
> because they were thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic
> Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the suicide bombings in
> Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very concerned about the
> activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be a
> support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said.
>
> The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of
> the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney,
> dismissed the allegations as "stupid and ridiculous."
>
> Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes even
> further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. officials.
>
> "These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the
> United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never raised
> this issue with us," Regev said. "The story is simply false."
>
> No ‘Pre-Knowledge’
>
> Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within the
> FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government
> officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli
> intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this investigation has
> not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events
> of 9/11."
>
> Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence to
> conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 11.
> The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all of
> the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded
> that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro
> noted.
>
> As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the attack
> on the Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to the parking
> lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good explanation
> for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the World Trade
> Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for the young men and
> the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.
>
> According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials worked
> out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of jail,
> put on a plane, and deported back home.
>
> While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about
> their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the
> detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show
> after their return home.
>
> Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the
> morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a
> country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the
> event."
>
> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>
>> This  is another classic example of what I keep talking about.  Plain Ol'
>> posts a couple of videos, claiming that FOX News reported on "Five Dancing
>> Israeli's" and come to find out, no one saw any Israeli's dancing....FOX
>> News didn't report that; (the headlines are way, way, waaaay misleading!)
>>
>> There were in fact five Israelis detained on Route 3 close to the
>> Meadowlands; because of a report of a white van possibly with explosives.
>>
>> Come to find out, there were no explosives.....No weapons....The
>> Israeli's were cooperative; and could very well have been Mossad Agents,
>> but they were never charged...Never accused of "Dancing after 9/11"; and
>> were released.
>>
>> Again Plain Ol';  read, study,  watch the videos before you post them;
>> and learn what it is that your actually talking about before you get into
>> adult conversations.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 5:51 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> the big 3 networks reporting "swarms" of muslims celebrating on a
>>> rooftop in New Jersey.
>>> ---
>>> a lie ... but Fox News did report on the israelis who were dancing on
>>> 911.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 4:39:14 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I recall it as well Keith. And plainol was given a link last week
>>>> showing one of the big 3 networks reporting "swarms" of muslims celebrating
>>>> on a rooftop in New Jersey.
>>>>
>>>> But for some reason he continues to tout the same debunked leftwing bs.
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 5:30:42 PM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Trump was 100 percent correct on his statement that he witnessed a
>>>>> multitude of Muslims celebrating after te 9/11 attack.  I remember the
>>>>> reports also:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3auKMHkZJnQ
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/428978587288437/videos/486795458173416/?pnref=story
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 5:12 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  the right to call their unions "marriage" by the Supreme Court
>>>>>> wasn't enough; now they insist on forcing unwilling artists to attend and
>>>>>> participate in their weddings
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> your homophobia has been noted.
>>>>>> LGBT's are getting equal rights ... regardless of what myth believing
>>>>>> xians and muzzies want.
>>>>>> Sane and logical Americans have their backs ... no longer will myth
>>>>>> believing xians be able to kill and persecute them with impunity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What lie(s) did Trump tell *specifically* about hispanics, illegals,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Donald Trump has built his 2016 campaign for President largely on
>>>>>> demonizing Hispanic Americans by claiming that immigrants from south of 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> border are “rapists” and “criminals” and other insults, while suggesting
>>>>>> that he would round up all eleven million undocumented immigrants and 
>>>>>> cast
>>>>>> them off. Not surprisingly, that’s made him popular with the prejudiced
>>>>>> white conservatives who dominate the republican party. But now Trump is
>>>>>> claiming that he has 31% of the Hispanic vote – which is a huge lie.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Muslims?
>>>>>> ---
>>>>>> Trump's outrageous claim that 'thousands' of New Jersey Muslims ...
>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/22/donald-trumps-outrageous-claim-that-thousands-of-new-jersey-muslims-celebrated-the-911-attacks/>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../donald-*trumps*-outrageous-*c*...
>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/#>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    1.
>>>>>>    
>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=599&q=related:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/22/donald-trumps-outrageous-claim-that-thousands-of-new-jersey-muslims-celebrated-the-911-attacks/+Trump+claimed+thousands+of+muslims+NJ+dancing+on+911.&tbo=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjujaba6u7NAhWKaT4KHUvyDScQHwgfMAA>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Washington Post
>>>>>> Nov 22, 2015 - Trump's outrageous claim that 'thousands' of New
>>>>>> Jersey Muslims celebrated the9/11 attacks ... And in a foreword for
>>>>>> a book titled “Where Were You On 9/11?,” Trump ... There were no
>>>>>> flags burning, no one was dancing.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What lie(s) did Trump tell *specifically* about hispanics, illegals,
>>>>>>> and Muslims? Name them and prove they are lies; thanks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And maybe, like millions of Americans, Trump sees that the LGBT
>>>>>>> crowd will never be satisfied. Being granted the right to call their 
>>>>>>> unions
>>>>>>> "marriage" by the Supreme Court wasn't enough; now they insist on 
>>>>>>> forcing
>>>>>>> unwilling artists to attend and participate in their weddings, and to 
>>>>>>> force
>>>>>>> 6th grade girls all over America to shower and change with boys with
>>>>>>> penises - because they claim to *feel* like girls. Maybe he sees the
>>>>>>> slippery slope we are sliding down in trampling the rights of some over
>>>>>>> others over nothing but emotion and the psychological need to be deemed
>>>>>>> "normal".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 4:35:13 PM UTC-4, plainolamerican wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> up until Donald Trump became the prime contender for he Republican
>>>>>>>> Nominee; NO ONE ever suggested that Donald Trump was a racist, or a 
>>>>>>>> bigot;
>>>>>>>> or was Ant-Semitic; nor was it suggested that Trump was a Homophobe or 
>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>> Islamophobe
>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>> that was before he started lying about hispanics and illegals,
>>>>>>>> muslims and changed his opinions about lgbt's.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> yes, Trump is a bigot, racist, homophobe, islamophobe and a huge
>>>>>>>> NYC asshole that Americans will never elect.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know it's going to hurt, Keith, but start learning to say
>>>>>>>> President Clinton again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 1:42:13 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ​Hey Bruce,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump has made no excuse(s) for his tweets, Facebook posts, or in
>>>>>>>>> particular the post being referenced (which he didn't do, that we're
>>>>>>>>> discussing now; a meme portraying  "Lying Crooked Hil Clinton" with an
>>>>>>>>> image behind her of money floating around, and a red star​  stating 
>>>>>>>>> "Most
>>>>>>>>> Corrupt Candidate Ever":
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> There's no reference to Jews in this meme.  The Trump campaign
>>>>>>>>> changed the image shortly after complaints, which Donald Trump 
>>>>>>>>> vociferously
>>>>>>>>> complained about.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As Perp and others have stated frequently;  up until Donald Trump
>>>>>>>>> became the prime contender for he Republican Nominee; NO ONE ever 
>>>>>>>>> suggested
>>>>>>>>> that Donald Trump was a racist, or a bigot; or was Ant-Semitic; nor 
>>>>>>>>> was it
>>>>>>>>> suggested that Trump was a Homophobe or an Islamophobe.  As Perp 
>>>>>>>>> rightfully
>>>>>>>>> points out, this is a tactic right out of the Saual Alinsky/Marshall
>>>>>>>>> Kirk/Hunter Madsen playbooks.​
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am on the record as disliking both Hillary and Trump ... I
>>>>>>>>>> don't feel either should be President!!! I also never voted for our 
>>>>>>>>>> current
>>>>>>>>>> President nor the one before that ... I do admit that I voted for 
>>>>>>>>>> Bill
>>>>>>>>>> Clinton the first time, but not the second!!!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:10 PM, 'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum <
>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You should be aware of the implications when legions of
>>>>>>>>>>> leftloons in this country wake up each day looking for reasons to 
>>>>>>>>>>> claim
>>>>>>>>>>> victim status or to be aggrieved about something. Millions of 
>>>>>>>>>>> Americans
>>>>>>>>>>> finally reaches the breaking point with this ignorant crap and 
>>>>>>>>>>> tells you to
>>>>>>>>>>> stfu or simply laughs at you and the ignorant leftwing media 
>>>>>>>>>>> parroting your
>>>>>>>>>>> idiocy (and ironically, *your* bigotry).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The left shot their wad calling anyone who disagreed with Obama
>>>>>>>>>>> on anything a "racist" for the past 8 years. And all you've done 
>>>>>>>>>>> for the
>>>>>>>>>>> past year is claim Trump is a scary racist and Islamophobe for 
>>>>>>>>>>> wanting to
>>>>>>>>>>> end the relentless assault on this country by illegal aliens and 
>>>>>>>>>>> the clear
>>>>>>>>>>> and present danger of radical Islamic terrorists using our open 
>>>>>>>>>>> borders to
>>>>>>>>>>> infiltrate America and harm our citizenry. No offense, but I 
>>>>>>>>>>> personally
>>>>>>>>>>> don't give an ounce of credence to pretty much anything you guys 
>>>>>>>>>>> proclaim
>>>>>>>>>>> is the latest national outrage - particularly when it involves such 
>>>>>>>>>>> lazy,
>>>>>>>>>>> effortless manufactured outrage such as claiming a political enemy 
>>>>>>>>>>> is a
>>>>>>>>>>> racist, homophobe, or anti-Semitic.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 11:37:47 AM UTC-4, brine wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The point is that as a New Yorker the person who does his
>>>>>>>>>>>> tweets should be aware of the implications of a 6 pointed star and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> money in
>>>>>>>>>>>> an image!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:24 AM, 'Perplexed' via
>>>>>>>>>>>> PoliticalForum <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I didn't grow up in the NY metro area, nor did most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans spend their lives around the 2% who are Jewish. On the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrary,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of us grew up in places where a 6-pointed star - or any star 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> - is seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more often in the context of a sheriff's badge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I grew up in the Midwest, and as I said, most of us don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend our time looking for ways to be a victim or offended. We 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of insanity to those of you on the coasts and our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunate pockets
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of miserable, constantly aggrieved leftwing nutjobs. In my state,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thankfully they only exist on college campuses and a couple of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> metro areas;
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of us are sane. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 10:33:54 AM UTC-4, brine wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you didn't grow up in the New York metro area and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend most of you life around Jewish people ... there is a long 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> symbolism attacking Jews for being greedy ... I ALWAYS see the 6 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> star as the Star of David!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:55 AM, 'Perplexed' via
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PoliticalForum <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't possibly disagree more with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you go to the Clip Art choices in Microsoft Word under
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the generic category of "STAR", you see the very same 6-pointed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> star. The
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vast majority of people don't think like that - including me. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never in a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million years would I have assumed that was a Star of David. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again, I also don't assume welfare is racist. I don't look for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone is a bigot or a reason to scream, "Racist!" or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Anti-Semite!".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only those who, themselves, are inherently bigoted or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afflicted with the leftloon disease of being terminally 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggrieved and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offended (whether honestly as the leftwing victimology machine 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictates or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonestly as a means to attack Trump) jumped to the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusion that was a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Star of David.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The man's daughter and son-in-law are Jewish, for crying out
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> loud. Get a grip!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 7:00:35 PM UTC-4, brine wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The anti-semetic aspect of the tweet is the fact that it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays into the stereotype of money grubbing jews ... the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disney thing and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many others that use a star are not pushing an agenda ... I am 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 100% sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the person who tweets for Mr. Trump was aware of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> symbolism ... I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have worked in advertizing, graphics and printing my whole 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adult life ...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing is random or benign!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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