As I originally pointed out, there were no Israelis "dancing" after 
9/11....No one within the video clips, or in any news media has ever made 
that allegation.
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On Wednesday, July 13, 2016 at 11:40:49 AM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote:
>
> As I originally pointed out, there were no Israelis "dancing" after 
> 9/11....No one within the video clips, or in any news media has ever made 
> that allegation.
>
> I spent over an hour reviewing and reading the reports of these purported 
> Israelis who were detained shortly after 9/11/2001; including the article 
> that Plain Ol posted.  Nothing all that significant....I even listened to 
> the New Jersey policeman who made the initial arrest of the original 
> five.....Again, nothing significant; despite an extensive interrogation and 
> detainment; multiple lie detector tests administered; and clearly no 
> connection whatsoever to the Islamic/Bin Laden attacks on 9/11.  It was 
> concluded that the Israelis here in the U.S. were sent here to spy on the 
> Islamic encampments that we allow to openly operate; and of which Plain Ol' 
> (and his far left secular progressive camp believes is, "Not An American 
> Concern".
>
> Instead, this is old news, and even when it was contemporary;  it wasn't 
> the focal point of who was flying planes into our skyscrapers or 
> threatening our Nation......
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 13, 2016 at 12:23 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote:
>
>> FOX News reported on "Five Dancing Israeli's" and come to find out, no 
>> one saw any Israeli's dancing....FOX News didn't report that; (the 
>> headlines are way, way, waaaay misleading!)  
>> ---
>> http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=123885
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbkQddEDPs0
>>
>> There were in fact five Israelis detained on Route 3 close to the 
>> Meadowlands; because of a report of a white van possibly with explosives.  
>> ---
>> Fox News reported that there were more than 60 israelis detained after 
>> 911 ... but who is counting?
>>
>> Come to find out, there were no explosives.....No weapons....The 
>> Israeli's were cooperative; and could very well have been Mossad Agents, 
>> but they were never charged...Never accused of "Dancing after 9/11"; and 
>> were released.
>> ---
>>
>> The five Israelis were held at the Metropolitan Detention Center in 
>> Brooklyn, ostensibly for overstaying their tourist visas and working in the 
>> United States illegally. Two weeks after their arrest, an immigration judge 
>> ordered them to be deported. But sources told ABCNEWS that FBI and CIA 
>> officials in Washington put a hold on the case.
>>
>> The five men were held in detention for more than two months. Some of 
>> them were placed in solitary confinement for 40 days, and some of them were 
>> given as many as seven lie-detector tests.
>>
>> Plenty of Speculation
>>
>> Since their arrest, plenty of speculation has swirled about the case, and 
>> what the five men were doing that morning. Eventually, The Forward, a 
>> respected Jewish newspaper in New York, reported the FBI concluded that two 
>> of the men were Israeli intelligence operatives.
>>
>> Vince Cannistraro, a former chief of operations for counterterrorism with 
>> the CIA who is now a consultant for ABCNEWS, said federal authorities' 
>> interest in the case was heightened when some of the men's names were found 
>> in a search of a national intelligence database.
>>
>> Israeli Intelligence Connection?
>>
>> According to Cannistraro, many people in the U.S. intelligence community 
>> believed that some of the men arrested were working for Israeli 
>> intelligence. Cannistraro said there was speculation as to whether Urban 
>> Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an 
>> intelligence operation against radical Islamists in the area, particularly 
>> in the New Jersey-New York area."
>>
>> Under this scenario, the alleged spying operation was not aimed against 
>> the United States, but at penetrating or monitoring radical fund-raising 
>> and support networks in Muslim communities like Paterson, N.J., which was 
>> one of the places where several of the hijackers lived in the months prior 
>> to Sept. 11.
>>
>> For the FBI, deciphering the truth from the five Israelis proved to be 
>> difficult. One of them, Paul Kurzberg, refused to take a lie-detector test 
>> for 10 weeks — then failed it, according to his lawyer. Another of his 
>> lawyers told us Kurzberg had been reluctant to take the test because he had 
>> once worked for Israeli intelligence in another country.
>>
>> Sources say the Israelis were targeting these fund-raising networks 
>> because they were thought to be channeling money to Hamas and Islamic 
>> Jihad, groups that are responsible for most of the suicide bombings in 
>> Israel. "[The] Israeli government has been very concerned about the 
>> activity of radical Islamic groups in the United States that could be a 
>> support apparatus to Hamas and Islamic Jihad," Cannistraro said.
>>
>> The men denied that they had been working for Israeli intelligence out of 
>> the New Jersey moving company, and Ram Horvitz, their Israeli attorney, 
>> dismissed the allegations as "stupid and ridiculous."
>>
>> Mark Regev, the spokesman for the Israeli Embassy in Washington, goes 
>> even further, asserting the issue was never even discussed with U.S. 
>> officials.
>>
>> "These five men were not involved in any intelligence operation in the 
>> United States, and the American intelligence authorities have never raised 
>> this issue with us," Regev said. "The story is simply false."
>>
>> No ‘Pre-Knowledge’
>>
>> Despite the denials, sources tell ABCNEWS there is still debate within 
>> the FBI over whether or not the young men were spies. Many U.S. government 
>> officials still believe that some of them were on a mission for Israeli 
>> intelligence. But the FBI told ABCNEWS, "To date, this investigation has 
>> not identified anybody who in this country had pre-knowledge of the events 
>> of 9/11."
>>
>> Sources also said that even if the men were spies, there is no evidence 
>> to conclude they had advance knowledge of the terrorist attacks on Sept. 
>> 11. The investigation, at the end of the day, after all the polygraphs, all 
>> of the field work, all the cross-checking, the intelligence work, concluded 
>> that they probably did not have advance knowledge of 9/11," Cannistraro 
>> noted.
>>
>> As to what they were doing on the van, they say they read about the 
>> attack on the Internet, couldn't see it from their offices and went to the 
>> parking lot for a better view. But no one has been able to find a good 
>> explanation for why they may have been smiling with the towers of the World 
>> Trade Center burning in the background. Both the lawyers for the young men 
>> and the Israeli Embassy chalk it up to immature conduct.
>>
>> According to ABCNEWS sources, Israeli and U.S. government officials 
>> worked out a deal — and after 71 days, the five Israelis were taken out of 
>> jail, put on a plane, and deported back home.
>>
>> While the former detainees refused to answer ABCNEWS' questions about 
>> their detention and what they were doing on Sept. 11, several of the 
>> detainees discussed their experience in America on an Israeli talk show 
>> after their return home.
>>
>> Said one of the men, denying that they were laughing or happy on the 
>> morning of Sept. 11, "The fact of the matter is we are coming from a 
>> country that experiences terror daily. Our purpose was to document the 
>> event."
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 5:36:47 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>
>>> This  is another classic example of what I keep talking about.  Plain 
>>> Ol' posts a couple of videos, claiming that FOX News reported on "Five 
>>> Dancing Israeli's" and come to find out, no one saw any Israeli's 
>>> dancing....FOX News didn't report that; (the headlines are way, way, waaaay 
>>> misleading!)  
>>>
>>> There were in fact five Israelis detained on Route 3 close to the 
>>> Meadowlands; because of a report of a white van possibly with explosives.  
>>>
>>> Come to find out, there were no explosives.....No weapons....The 
>>> Israeli's were cooperative; and could very well have been Mossad Agents, 
>>> but they were never charged...Never accused of "Dancing after 9/11"; and 
>>> were released.  
>>>
>>> Again Plain Ol';  read, study,  watch the videos before you post them; 
>>> and learn what it is that your actually talking about before you get into 
>>> adult conversations.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 5:51 PM, plainolamerican <[email protected]> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> the big 3 networks reporting "swarms" of muslims celebrating on a 
>>>> rooftop in New Jersey.
>>>> ---
>>>> a lie ... but Fox News did report on the israelis who were dancing on 
>>>> 911.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 4:39:14 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I recall it as well Keith. And plainol was given a link last week 
>>>>> showing one of the big 3 networks reporting "swarms" of muslims 
>>>>> celebrating 
>>>>> on a rooftop in New Jersey.
>>>>>
>>>>> But for some reason he continues to tout the same debunked leftwing bs.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 5:30:42 PM UTC-4, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Trump was 100 percent correct on his statement that he witnessed a 
>>>>>> multitude of Muslims celebrating after te 9/11 attack.  I remember the 
>>>>>> reports also:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3auKMHkZJnQ
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.facebook.com/428978587288437/videos/486795458173416/?pnref=story
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 5:12 PM, plainolamerican <
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  the right to call their unions "marriage" by the Supreme Court 
>>>>>>> wasn't enough; now they insist on forcing unwilling artists to attend 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> participate in their weddings
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> your homophobia has been noted.
>>>>>>> LGBT's are getting equal rights ... regardless of what myth 
>>>>>>> believing xians and muzzies want.
>>>>>>> Sane and logical Americans have their backs ... no longer will myth 
>>>>>>> believing xians be able to kill and persecute them with impunity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What lie(s) did Trump tell *specifically* about hispanics, illegals, 
>>>>>>> and 
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Donald Trump has built his 2016 campaign for President largely on 
>>>>>>> demonizing Hispanic Americans by claiming that immigrants from south of 
>>>>>>> the 
>>>>>>> border are “rapists” and “criminals” and other insults, while 
>>>>>>> suggesting 
>>>>>>> that he would round up all eleven million undocumented immigrants and 
>>>>>>> cast 
>>>>>>> them off. Not surprisingly, that’s made him popular with the prejudiced 
>>>>>>> white conservatives who dominate the republican party. But now Trump is 
>>>>>>> claiming that he has 31% of the Hispanic vote – which is a huge lie.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Muslims?
>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>> Trump's outrageous claim that 'thousands' of New Jersey Muslims ... 
>>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/22/donald-trumps-outrageous-claim-that-thousands-of-new-jersey-muslims-celebrated-the-911-attacks/>
>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/.../donald-*trumps*-outrageous-*c*...
>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/#>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    1. 
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?biw=1366&bih=599&q=related:https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/11/22/donald-trumps-outrageous-claim-that-thousands-of-new-jersey-muslims-celebrated-the-911-attacks/+Trump+claimed+thousands+of+muslims+NJ+dancing+on+911.&tbo=1&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjujaba6u7NAhWKaT4KHUvyDScQHwgfMAA>
>>>>>>>    
>>>>>>> The Washington Post
>>>>>>> Nov 22, 2015 - Trump's outrageous claim that 'thousands' of New 
>>>>>>> Jersey Muslims celebrated the9/11 attacks ... And in a foreword for 
>>>>>>> a book titled “Where Were You On 9/11?,” Trump ... There were no 
>>>>>>> flags burning, no one was dancing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 3:55:13 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What lie(s) did Trump tell *specifically* about hispanics, 
>>>>>>>> illegals, and Muslims? Name them and prove they are lies; thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And maybe, like millions of Americans, Trump sees that the LGBT 
>>>>>>>> crowd will never be satisfied. Being granted the right to call their 
>>>>>>>> unions 
>>>>>>>> "marriage" by the Supreme Court wasn't enough; now they insist on 
>>>>>>>> forcing 
>>>>>>>> unwilling artists to attend and participate in their weddings, and to 
>>>>>>>> force 
>>>>>>>> 6th grade girls all over America to shower and change with boys with 
>>>>>>>> penises - because they claim to *feel* like girls. Maybe he sees the 
>>>>>>>> slippery slope we are sliding down in trampling the rights of some 
>>>>>>>> over 
>>>>>>>> others over nothing but emotion and the psychological need to be 
>>>>>>>> deemed 
>>>>>>>> "normal".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 4:35:13 PM UTC-4, plainolamerican 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> up until Donald Trump became the prime contender for he Republican 
>>>>>>>>> Nominee; NO ONE ever suggested that Donald Trump was a racist, or a 
>>>>>>>>> bigot; 
>>>>>>>>> or was Ant-Semitic; nor was it suggested that Trump was a Homophobe 
>>>>>>>>> or an 
>>>>>>>>> Islamophobe
>>>>>>>>> ---
>>>>>>>>> that was before he started lying about hispanics and illegals, 
>>>>>>>>> muslims and changed his opinions about lgbt's.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes, Trump is a bigot, racist, homophobe, islamophobe and a huge 
>>>>>>>>> NYC asshole that Americans will never elect.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know it's going to hurt, Keith, but start learning to say 
>>>>>>>>> President Clinton again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 1:42:13 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ​Hey Bruce,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Trump has made no excuse(s) for his tweets, Facebook posts, or in 
>>>>>>>>>> particular the post being referenced (which he didn't do, that we're 
>>>>>>>>>> discussing now; a meme portraying  "Lying Crooked Hil Clinton" with 
>>>>>>>>>> an 
>>>>>>>>>> image behind her of money floating around, and a red star​  stating 
>>>>>>>>>> "Most 
>>>>>>>>>> Corrupt Candidate Ever":
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There's no reference to Jews in this meme.  The Trump campaign 
>>>>>>>>>> changed the image shortly after complaints, which Donald Trump 
>>>>>>>>>> vociferously 
>>>>>>>>>> complained about.  
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As Perp and others have stated frequently;  up until Donald Trump 
>>>>>>>>>> became the prime contender for he Republican Nominee; NO ONE ever 
>>>>>>>>>> suggested 
>>>>>>>>>> that Donald Trump was a racist, or a bigot; or was Ant-Semitic; nor 
>>>>>>>>>> was it 
>>>>>>>>>> suggested that Trump was a Homophobe or an Islamophobe.  As Perp 
>>>>>>>>>> rightfully 
>>>>>>>>>> points out, this is a tactic right out of the Saual Alinsky/Marshall 
>>>>>>>>>> Kirk/Hunter Madsen playbooks.​
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:16 PM, Brian Bednarek <[email protected]
>>>>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am on the record as disliking both Hillary and Trump ... I 
>>>>>>>>>>> don't feel either should be President!!! I also never voted for our 
>>>>>>>>>>> current 
>>>>>>>>>>> President nor the one before that ... I do admit that I voted for 
>>>>>>>>>>> Bill 
>>>>>>>>>>> Clinton the first time, but not the second!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 2:10 PM, 'Perplexed' via PoliticalForum 
>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You should be aware of the implications when legions of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> leftloons in this country wake up each day looking for reasons to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> claim 
>>>>>>>>>>>> victim status or to be aggrieved about something. Millions of 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans 
>>>>>>>>>>>> finally reaches the breaking point with this ignorant crap and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> tells you to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> stfu or simply laughs at you and the ignorant leftwing media 
>>>>>>>>>>>> parroting your 
>>>>>>>>>>>> idiocy (and ironically, *your* bigotry).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The left shot their wad calling anyone who disagreed with Obama 
>>>>>>>>>>>> on anything a "racist" for the past 8 years. And all you've done 
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the 
>>>>>>>>>>>> past year is claim Trump is a scary racist and Islamophobe for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wanting to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> end the relentless assault on this country by illegal aliens and 
>>>>>>>>>>>> the clear 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and present danger of radical Islamic terrorists using our open 
>>>>>>>>>>>> borders to 
>>>>>>>>>>>> infiltrate America and harm our citizenry. No offense, but I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> personally 
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't give an ounce of credence to pretty much anything you guys 
>>>>>>>>>>>> proclaim 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the latest national outrage - particularly when it involves 
>>>>>>>>>>>> such lazy, 
>>>>>>>>>>>> effortless manufactured outrage such as claiming a political enemy 
>>>>>>>>>>>> is a 
>>>>>>>>>>>> racist, homophobe, or anti-Semitic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 11:37:47 AM UTC-4, brine wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The point is that as a New Yorker the person who does his 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tweets should be aware of the implications of a 6 pointed star 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and money in 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an image!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 11:24 AM, 'Perplexed' via 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> PoliticalForum <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, I didn't grow up in the NY metro area, nor did most 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans spend their lives around the 2% who are Jewish. On the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contrary, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> most of us grew up in places where a 6-pointed star - or any 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> star - is seen 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more often in the context of a sheriff's badge.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I grew up in the Midwest, and as I said, most of us don't 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend our time looking for ways to be a victim or offended. We 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave that 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kind of insanity to those of you on the coasts and our 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unfortunate pockets 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of miserable, constantly aggrieved leftwing nutjobs. In my 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thankfully they only exist on college campuses and a couple of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> metro areas; 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of us are sane. :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 at 10:33:54 AM UTC-4, brine wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I guess you didn't grow up in the New York metro area and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spend most of you life around Jewish people ... there is a long 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> history of 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> symbolism attacking Jews for being greedy ... I ALWAYS see the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 pointed 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> star as the Star of David!!! 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 9:55 AM, 'Perplexed' via 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> PoliticalForum <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I couldn't possibly disagree more with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you go to the Clip Art choices in Microsoft Word under 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the generic category of "STAR", you see the very same 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6-pointed star. The 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vast majority of people don't think like that - including me. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Never in a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> million years would I have assumed that was a Star of David. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But then 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again, I also don't assume welfare is racist. I don't look for 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signs 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone is a bigot or a reason to scream, "Racist!" or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Anti-Semite!". 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only those who, themselves, are inherently bigoted or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> afflicted with the leftloon disease of being terminally 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> aggrieved and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> offended (whether honestly as the leftwing victimology machine 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dictates or 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dishonestly as a means to attack Trump) jumped to the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conclusion that was a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Star of David.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The man's daughter and son-in-law are Jewish, for crying 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> out loud. Get a grip!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, July 11, 2016 at 7:00:35 PM UTC-4, brine wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The anti-semetic aspect of the tweet is the fact that it 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> plays into the stereotype of money grubbing jews ... the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Disney thing and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> many others that use a star are not pushing an agenda ... I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am 100% sure 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the person who tweets for Mr. Trump was aware of the 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> symbolism ... I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have worked in advertizing, graphics and printing my whole 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> adult life ... 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing is random or benign!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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