So what is your opinion of these 50 republicans? Because I can sure remember a time when you expressed seething hatred of warmongers. Are you now warmly embracing them because they hate Trump as much as you do? --- I never embrace warmongers ... just pointing out their disdain for Trump. I don't hate Trump ... I just don't want him as potus.
Most Americans agree that invading Iraq was a huge mistake and it was these blithering idiots who advised Bush it was the right thing to do. ---- we know who they are and why they promoted the war on the middle east. People associated with the PNAC[edit <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=9> ]Project directors[edit <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=10> ] [as listed on the PNAC website:] - William Kristol <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kristol>, Co-founder and Chairman[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> - Robert Kagan <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan>, Co-founder [6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> - Bruce P. Jackson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Jackson_(Project_on_Transitional_Democracies)> [6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> - Mark Gerson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Gerson>[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> - Randy Scheunemann <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Scheunemann>[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> Project staff[edit <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=11> ] - Other director(s): - Ellen Bork <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Bork>, Deputy Director[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> - Timothy Lehmann, Assistant Director[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> - Other associates: - Senior fellows: - Thomas Donnelly <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Donnelly_(writer)>, Senior Fellow[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> - Reuel Marc Gerecht <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuel_Marc_Gerecht>, Senior Fellow [6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> - Gary Schmitt <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Schmitt>, Senior Fellow[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> [61] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-Schmitt-61> - Research associates: - Michael Goldfarb <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Goldfarb_(political_writer)>, Research Associate[6] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> Former directors and staff[edit <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=12> ] - Daniel McKivergan <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_McKivergan&action=edit&redlink=1>, Deputy Director[62] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-62> Signatories to *Statement of Principles*[edit <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=13> ] - Elliott Abrams <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Abrams>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Gary Bauer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Bauer>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - William J. Bennett <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Bennett> [5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - John Ellis "Jeb" Bush <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeb_Bush>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Dick Cheney <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Eliot A. Cohen <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_A._Cohen>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Midge Decter <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midge_Decter>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Paula Dobriansky <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Dobriansky>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Steve Forbes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Forbes>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Aaron Friedberg <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Friedberg>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Francis Fukuyama <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Fukuyama>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Frank Gaffney <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Gaffney>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Fred C. Ikle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Ikle>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Donald Kagan <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Kagan>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Zalmay Khalilzad <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalmay_Khalilzad>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Libby>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Norman Podhoretz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Podhoretz>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - J. Danforth Quayle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quayle>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Peter W. Rodman <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rodman>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Stephen P. Rosen <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Peter_Rosen>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Henry S. Rowen <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rowen>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Donald Rumsfeld <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Vin Weber <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin_Weber>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - George Weigel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Weigel>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> - Paul Wolfowitz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz>[5] <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> See also[edit <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=14> ] On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 12:13:02 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote: > > > So what is your opinion of these 50 republicans? Because I can sure > remember a time when you expressed seething hatred of warmongers. Are you > now warmly embracing them because they hate Trump as much as you do? > > Personally I think this helps Trump. Most Americans agree that invading > Iraq was a huge mistake and it was these blithering idiots who advised Bush > it was the right thing to do. > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-4, plainolamerican wrote: >> >> >> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/group-of-50-former-gop-national-security-officials-trump-would-be-most-reckless-president-in-american-history/2016/08/08/6715042c-5d9f-11e6-af8e-54aa2e849447_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpletter-430pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory >> >> A group of 50 former national security officials, all of whom have served >> Republican presidents from Richard M. Nixon to George W. Bush, have signed >> an open letter calling Donald Trump unqualified to be president and warning >> that, if elected, “he would be the most reckless President in American >> history.” >> >> The letter offers a withering critique of the GOP nominee, saying he >> “lacks the character, values and experience” to be president. The >> signatories declare their conviction that he would be dangerous “and would >> put at risk our country’s national security and well-being.” >> >> They state flatly that none of them intend to vote for Trump in November. >> Some have decided to vote for Hillary Clinton, while others intend to sit >> out the election or write in another name, said John Bellinger III, a >> former legal adviser to Condoleezza Rice and the writer of the letter’s >> first draft. >> >> “We also know that many have doubts about Hillary Clinton, as do many of >> us,” the letter says. “But Donald Trump is not the answer to America’s >> daunting challenges and to this crucial election. We are convinced that in >> the Oval Office, he would be the most reckless President in American >> history.” >> >> In a statement, Trump said the letter writers share the blame for “making >> the world such a dangerous place.” >> >> “They are nothing more than the failed Washington elite looking to hold >> onto their power, and it’s time they are held accountable for their >> actions,” he said. >> >> Trump said the former officials — along with Clinton — took part in the >> decisions that led to the invasion of Iraq, the deaths of Americans in >> Benghazi, Libya, and the rise of the Islamic State. >> >> “Yet despite these failures, they think they are entitled to use their >> favor trading to land taxpayer-funded government contracts and speaking >> fees,” he said. >> >> Although no former secretaries of state signed the letter, it carries the >> signatures of Michael Chertoff and Tom Ridge, former secretaries of >> homeland security; Michael Hayden, a former director of the CIA and the >> National Security Agency; John Negroponte, a former director of national >> intelligence and deputy secretary of state; Robert Zoellick, who also was a >> deputy secretary of state and president of the World Bank and the U.S. >> trade representative under George W. Bush; Carla Hills, the U.S. trade >> representative under George H.W. Bush; and William H. Taft IV, a former >> deputy secretary of defense and ambassador to NATO under the elder Bush. >> >> Also signing the letter were several aides who were senior advisers in >> the White House, State Department and Pentagon. Among them were Eric >> Edelman, a national security adviser to then-Vice President Richard B. >> Cheney, and Bellinger, who worked closely with Rice when she was secretary >> of state and when she was on the NSC. >> >> Bellinger said that some involved with the letter wanted to wait until >> September to release their views but that the candidate’s behavior in >> recent weeks — from his comments on NATO to inviting Russian intelligence >> to hack Clinton’s emails — galvanized them to move sooner. >> >> “This is not about NATO, it’s not about trade, it’s not about Russia, >> it’s not about cyber. We really wanted to focus on the character, >> temperament and judgment that we have seen are required of good >> presidents,” Bellinger said. >> >> Although the signatories all served Republican presidents, many of the >> criticisms echo those being leveled by the Clinton campaign. >> >> “He appears to lack basic knowledge about and belief in the U.S. >> Constitution, U.S. laws and U.S. institutions, including religious >> tolerance, freedom of the press and an independent judiciary,” the letter >> says of Trump. >> >> Later on, it adds, “At the same time, he persistently compliments our >> adversaries and threatens our allies and friends. Unlike previous >> Presidents who had limited experience in foreign affairs, Mr. Trump has >> shown no interest in educating himself. He continues to display an alarming >> ignorance of basic facts of contemporary international politics.” >> >> The letter said Trump “lacks the temperament to be President,” and gave a >> scathing assessment of his ability to take advice, discipline himself, >> control his emotions and reflect before acting. >> >> “He is unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood,” the letter >> states in a particularly pointed criticism of Trump’s personal traits. “He >> does not encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts >> impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our >> closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous >> qualities in an individual who aspires to be President and >> Commander-in-Chief, with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.” >> >> Bellinger said the letter is not intended to be political. >> >> “What we really wanted to do was to raise the alarm and awareness among >> voters who may find Mr. Trump attractive in a lot of ways, but do not >> understand what is required to be president of the United States,” he said. >> “We are trying to say to them, we have served inside the White House, we >> have worked with presidents for decades, we know what’s required to be >> president, and we are deeply concerned Donald Trump does not have these >> qualifications, the judgment or the temperament.” >> > -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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