Then the obvious question you should be asking is why they prefer Hillary over Trump.
On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 2:31:06 PM UTC-4, plainolamerican wrote: > > So what is your opinion of these 50 republicans? Because I can sure > remember a time when you expressed seething hatred of warmongers. Are you > now warmly embracing them because they hate Trump as much as you do? > --- > I never embrace warmongers ... just pointing out their disdain for Trump. > I don't hate Trump ... I just don't want him as potus. > > Most Americans agree that invading Iraq was a huge mistake and it was > these blithering idiots who advised Bush it was the right thing to do. > ---- > we know who they are and why they promoted the war on the middle east. > > People associated with the PNAC[edit > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=9> > ]Project directors[edit > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=10> > ] > > [as listed on the PNAC website:] > > - William Kristol <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Kristol>, > Co-founder and Chairman[6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > - Robert Kagan <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kagan>, Co-founder > [6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > - Bruce P. Jackson > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Jackson_(Project_on_Transitional_Democracies)> > [6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > > > - Mark Gerson <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Gerson>[6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > - Randy Scheunemann <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randy_Scheunemann> > [6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > > Project staff[edit > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=11> > ] > > - Other director(s): > - Ellen Bork <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellen_Bork>, Deputy > Director[6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > - Timothy Lehmann, Assistant Director[6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > - Other associates: > - Senior fellows: > - Thomas Donnelly > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Donnelly_(writer)>, Senior > Fellow[6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > - Reuel Marc Gerecht > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuel_Marc_Gerecht>, Senior Fellow > [6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > - Gary Schmitt <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Schmitt>, > Senior Fellow[6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > [61] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-Schmitt-61> > - Research associates: > - Michael Goldfarb > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Goldfarb_(political_writer)>, > Research Associate[6] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-AboutPNAC-6> > > Former directors and staff[edit > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=12> > ] > > - Daniel McKivergan > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Daniel_McKivergan&action=edit&redlink=1>, > > Deputy Director[62] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-62> > > Signatories to *Statement of Principles*[edit > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=13> > ] > > - Elliott Abrams <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliott_Abrams>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Gary Bauer <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Bauer>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - William J. Bennett <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_J._Bennett> > [5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - John Ellis "Jeb" Bush <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeb_Bush>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Dick Cheney <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Cheney>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Eliot A. Cohen <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliot_A._Cohen>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Midge Decter <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midge_Decter>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Paula Dobriansky <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paula_Dobriansky>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Steve Forbes <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Forbes>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Aaron Friedberg <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Friedberg>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Francis Fukuyama <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Fukuyama>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Frank Gaffney <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Gaffney>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Fred C. Ikle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fred_Ikle>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > > > - Donald Kagan <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Kagan>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Zalmay Khalilzad <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalmay_Khalilzad>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Libby> > [5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Norman Podhoretz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norman_Podhoretz>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - J. Danforth Quayle <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quayle>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Peter W. Rodman <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Rodman>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Stephen P. Rosen <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Peter_Rosen> > [5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Henry S. Rowen <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Rowen>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Donald Rumsfeld <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Rumsfeld>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Vin Weber <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin_Weber>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - George Weigel <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Weigel>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > - Paul Wolfowitz <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Wolfowitz>[5] > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#cite_note-PNACSOP-5> > > See also[edit > <https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Project_for_the_New_American_Century&action=edit§ion=14> > ] > > > > > On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 12:13:02 PM UTC-5, Perplexed wrote: >> >> >> So what is your opinion of these 50 republicans? Because I can sure >> remember a time when you expressed seething hatred of warmongers. Are you >> now warmly embracing them because they hate Trump as much as you do? >> >> Personally I think this helps Trump. Most Americans agree that invading >> Iraq was a huge mistake and it was these blithering idiots who advised Bush >> it was the right thing to do. >> >> On Tuesday, August 9, 2016 at 1:09:52 PM UTC-4, plainolamerican wrote: >>> >>> >>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/group-of-50-former-gop-national-security-officials-trump-would-be-most-reckless-president-in-american-history/2016/08/08/6715042c-5d9f-11e6-af8e-54aa2e849447_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_trumpletter-430pm%3Ahomepage%2Fstory >>> >>> A group of 50 former national security officials, all of whom have >>> served Republican presidents from Richard M. Nixon to George W. Bush, have >>> signed an open letter calling Donald Trump unqualified to be president and >>> warning that, if elected, “he would be the most reckless President in >>> American history.” >>> >>> The letter offers a withering critique of the GOP nominee, saying he >>> “lacks the character, values and experience” to be president. The >>> signatories declare their conviction that he would be dangerous “and would >>> put at risk our country’s national security and well-being.” >>> >>> They state flatly that none of them intend to vote for Trump in >>> November. Some have decided to vote for Hillary Clinton, while others >>> intend to sit out the election or write in another name, said John >>> Bellinger III, a former legal adviser to Condoleezza Rice and the writer of >>> the letter’s first draft. >>> >>> “We also know that many have doubts about Hillary Clinton, as do many of >>> us,” the letter says. “But Donald Trump is not the answer to America’s >>> daunting challenges and to this crucial election. We are convinced that in >>> the Oval Office, he would be the most reckless President in American >>> history.” >>> >>> In a statement, Trump said the letter writers share the blame for >>> “making the world such a dangerous place.” >>> >>> “They are nothing more than the failed Washington elite looking to hold >>> onto their power, and it’s time they are held accountable for their >>> actions,” he said. >>> >>> Trump said the former officials — along with Clinton — took part in the >>> decisions that led to the invasion of Iraq, the deaths of Americans in >>> Benghazi, Libya, and the rise of the Islamic State. >>> >>> “Yet despite these failures, they think they are entitled to use their >>> favor trading to land taxpayer-funded government contracts and speaking >>> fees,” he said. >>> >>> Although no former secretaries of state signed the letter, it carries >>> the signatures of Michael Chertoff and Tom Ridge, former secretaries of >>> homeland security; Michael Hayden, a former director of the CIA and the >>> National Security Agency; John Negroponte, a former director of national >>> intelligence and deputy secretary of state; Robert Zoellick, who also was a >>> deputy secretary of state and president of the World Bank and the U.S. >>> trade representative under George W. Bush; Carla Hills, the U.S. trade >>> representative under George H.W. Bush; and William H. Taft IV, a former >>> deputy secretary of defense and ambassador to NATO under the elder Bush. >>> >>> Also signing the letter were several aides who were senior advisers in >>> the White House, State Department and Pentagon. Among them were Eric >>> Edelman, a national security adviser to then-Vice President Richard B. >>> Cheney, and Bellinger, who worked closely with Rice when she was secretary >>> of state and when she was on the NSC. >>> >>> Bellinger said that some involved with the letter wanted to wait until >>> September to release their views but that the candidate’s behavior in >>> recent weeks — from his comments on NATO to inviting Russian intelligence >>> to hack Clinton’s emails — galvanized them to move sooner. >>> >>> “This is not about NATO, it’s not about trade, it’s not about Russia, >>> it’s not about cyber. We really wanted to focus on the character, >>> temperament and judgment that we have seen are required of good >>> presidents,” Bellinger said. >>> >>> Although the signatories all served Republican presidents, many of the >>> criticisms echo those being leveled by the Clinton campaign. >>> >>> “He appears to lack basic knowledge about and belief in the U.S. >>> Constitution, U.S. laws and U.S. institutions, including religious >>> tolerance, freedom of the press and an independent judiciary,” the letter >>> says of Trump. >>> >>> Later on, it adds, “At the same time, he persistently compliments our >>> adversaries and threatens our allies and friends. Unlike previous >>> Presidents who had limited experience in foreign affairs, Mr. Trump has >>> shown no interest in educating himself. He continues to display an alarming >>> ignorance of basic facts of contemporary international politics.” >>> >>> The letter said Trump “lacks the temperament to be President,” and gave >>> a scathing assessment of his ability to take advice, discipline himself, >>> control his emotions and reflect before acting. >>> >>> “He is unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood,” the letter >>> states in a particularly pointed criticism of Trump’s personal traits. “He >>> does not encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts >>> impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our >>> closest allies with his erratic behavior. All of these are dangerous >>> qualities in an individual who aspires to be President and >>> Commander-in-Chief, with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal.” >>> >>> Bellinger said the letter is not intended to be political. >>> >>> “What we really wanted to do was to raise the alarm and awareness among >>> voters who may find Mr. Trump attractive in a lot of ways, but do not >>> understand what is required to be president of the United States,” he said. >>> “We are trying to say to them, we have served inside the White House, we >>> have worked with presidents for decades, we know what’s required to be >>> president, and we are deeply concerned Donald Trump does not have these >>> qualifications, the judgment or the temperament.” >>> >> -- -- Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. 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