In a nut shell the difference between the dems and neo consider is what big government spends other people's money on. I do disagree somewhat that there is a difference between Islamic law and the religious aspect I think they are one and the same. until 2003 you had motherfuckers like Saddam Hussein who was meaner and had bigger balls than the mullahs kept them chopped back so to speak.
On Aug 12, 2016 3:00 PM, "Keith In Tampa" <[email protected]> wrote: > Where I was going with this, was that it seems to me, that most of those > "Republicans" who are now championing Hil Clinton and are, "#*NeverTrump*"; > are also "Open Borders" advocates, and don't place as great an emphasis on > real National Security as many conservatives do! Many refuse to ackowledge > the distinction between Islamic/Sharia indoctrination and culture, which is > in total conflict with Western ideals and values; not to mention most each > and every Western Nation's laws and culture! > > Therein lies the biggest distinction, > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> The conflict in my mind at least, is not so much about >> "Neo-Conservatism"; (and I'll come back to the true definition of >> "Neo-Con"!) but more of an elitist, globalist perspective. >> >> Donald Trump, with in my opinion conservative flair, promised and >> guaranteed to rebuild our military; of which the Obama Administration has >> literally gutted the last eight years. Our troop strength is nominal; our >> naval fleet, although admittedly needing redesign for the New Millennium; >> has also been gutted and not matching the demands of Pacific or Atlantic >> needs; our Air Force is also severely lacking; stories of crewmen scavaging >> for parts from junk yards and museums; and a lack of qualified pilots. Not >> to mention the literal shift in military philosophy and the adoption of >> tacics and theories by the Obama Administration; who now perceives "Climate >> Change" as the number one threat to our national security. >> >> Although I agree that Hil Clinton, like her husband who utilized military >> force and a pseudo-war in Bosnia to divert attention from domestic troubles >> and cum stains on a dress; is more likely to engage in "Nation Building" >> more so than Donald Trump; I don't think that there's any question that >> Trump would be more suited to meeting the demands of the 21st Century than >> Hil Clinton! >> >> By definition, (and maybe somewhat simplified!) all "Neo-Cons" are former >> Democrats; the majority of which are usually Jewish and also usually place >> Israel's foreign policy above and before the United States' foreign policy; >> generally believe in a strong central government, with a "Federalist" >> perspective; *e.g*.; a large federal government, with emphasis placed on >> military versus social spending. . Neo-Con's were usually motivated to vote >> Republican because of the Republican platform of a strong national defense. >> Nothing has changed in my opinion with Donald Trump in that >> regard....What has changed is the thought process of getting involved in >> far flung controversies that have nothing to do with "our"; *e.g*.; the >> United States' National interests; versus Israel's National interests..... >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 7:52 AM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> The balance of power has changed in the middle east starting at bush >>> 41.helped along by the neocons. why? I certainly don't know but the >>> paradigm has shifted. Trump has played ball to a degree after all he's a >>> deal maker.but Trump is a nationalist and this doesn't fit the noecon mold. >>> Trump is trying to deal but I'm sure he know that he's dealing with snakes. >>> >>> On Aug 12, 2016 6:21 AM, "MJ" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> August 7, 2016 >>>> >>>> *Why Neocons Can’t Stomach Trump * >>>> *Neocons are jumping off the Republican ship for Hillary Clinton even >>>> though Donald Trump has shifted their way on Israel and military spending. >>>> The big reason is his resistance to a new Cold War with Russia, says JP >>>> Sottile. *By JP Sottile >>>> >>>> Bill Kristol is downright *despondent* >>>> <http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/2016-bill-kristol-republicans-conservative-movement-donald-trump-politics-214025> >>>> after his *failed search* >>>> <http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/27/bill-kristol-and-a-bush-looking-libertar> >>>> for an alternative to Donald Trump. Max Boot is *indignant* >>>> <http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/max-boot-anti-trump-foreign-policy> >>>> about his “ *stupid* >>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/opinion/how-the-stupid-party-created-donald-trump.html>” >>>> party’s willingness to ride a bragging bull into a delicate *China* >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs> policy shop. And the >>>> leading light of the first family of military interventionism *Robert >>>> Kagan* >>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/there-is-something-very-wrong-with-donald-trump/2016/08/01/73809c72-57fe-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html> >>>> is *actually lining up neoconservatives* >>>> <https://theintercept.com/2016/07/25/robert-kagan-and-other-neocons-back-hillary-clinton/> >>>> behind the Democratic nominee for president of the United States. >>>> >>>> At the same time, the Democrats have become the party of bare-knuckled, >>>> full-throated American Exceptionalism. That transformation was announced >>>> with a *vein-popping zeal* >>>> <http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/31/readwatch-the-scariest-speech-from-both> >>>> by retired general and *wannabe motivation screamer* >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXsFwGA4VpM> John Allen at the >>>> Democratic convention in the City of Brotherly Love. During his “speech,” a >>>> few plaintive protests of “ *no more war* >>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/john-allens-speech-at-convention-met-with-usa-chants/2016/07/28/641a470e-5530-11e6-b652-315ae5d4d4dd_video.html>” >>>> were actually drowned-out by Democrats chanting “USA-USA-USA!” >>>> >>>> This is the same Democratic Party often criticized by Kagan & Co. as >>>> the purveyors of timidity, flaccidity and moral perfidy. It’s not that >>>> Democrats haven’t dropped bombs, dealt arms and overturned regimes. They >>>> have. And they’ve even got the Peace Prize-winning *Obama-dropper* >>>> <http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/06/the-numbers-in-obamas-drone-death-report-dont-add-up/> >>>> to prove it. But unlike enthusiastically belligerent Republicans, the Dems >>>> are supposed to be the party that does it, but doesn’t really like to do >>>> it. >>>> >>>> But now, they’ve got Hillary Clinton. And she’s *weaponized* >>>> <http://newsvandal.com/2014/06/hillary-clinton-and-the-weaponization-of-the-state-department/> >>>> the State Department. She *really likes* >>>> <http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/27/hillary-the-hawk-a-history-clinton-2016-military-intervention-libya-iraq-syria/> >>>> regime change. And her nominating convention not only embraced the >>>> military, but it sanctified the very Gold Star families that neocon-style >>>> interventionism creates. It certainly *created the pain* >>>> <http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/08/04/trump-khan-iraq-vote> of >>>> the Khan family who lost their son in the * illegal* >>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq> war in Iraq. >>>> But the Dems didn’t mention that sad fact as they grabbed the flag away >>>> from the Republicans. >>>> >>>> >>>> *Truly Neo-confusing. *It kinda feels like reality has slipped off its >>>> axis and we’ve landed on a *Bizarro World* >>>> <http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Htrae> version of America. Democrats are >>>> acting like Republicans. Pat Buchanan is championing the GOP’s “*Peace >>>> Candidate* <http://buchanan.org/blog/trump-peace-candidate-125499>.” >>>> And the neocons are fleeing from the party they’ve used like a geopolitical >>>> cudgel for the better part of three decades. >>>> >>>> At first glance, it all makes sense. Trump captured the GOP nomination >>>> in no small part by trashing two of the neocons’ favorite things ever the >>>> Bush family and the Iraq War. He also suggested early on that he’d approach >>>> the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as (gasp!) an honest >>>> broker. Trump said he really wanted to “ *make that deal* >>>> <http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-says-he-will-try-to-broker-israeli-palestinian-peace-deal/>.” >>>> Without irony, one-time *neocon wonderboy* >>>> <https://consortiumnews.com/2015/11/18/neocons-make-rubio-their-favorite/> >>>> Marco Rubio remarked that it isn’t a “ *real estate deal* >>>> <http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270866-rubio-to-trump-israel-palestinian-conflict-isnt-a-real>” >>>> when, in fact, that’s exactly what it is. >>>> >>>> But the ever-pliable Trump *quickly got religion* >>>> <http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-palestinians-must-stop-terror-for-peace-deal/> >>>> on Israel. He did an *about-face* >>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-israel-settlements_us_572a03ede4b096e9f08fc693>, >>>> marched into AIPAC’s annual confab, and* staked out a claim* >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQgDgMGuDI0> on the *reflexively >>>> pro-Israel* >>>> <http://nypost.com/2016/07/20/trump-is-plainly-the-best-bet-for-the-jews/> >>>> side of the issue. But it wasn’t enough to assuage the angst of the GOP’s >>>> forever-circling hawks. >>>> >>>> Frankly, nothing seems enough to sway the neocons in Donald’s >>>> direction. But it’s not for lack of trying on Trump’s part. Really, he’s >>>> checked off many of the boxes that make neocons smile. >>>> >>>> Trump wants a “yuuge” military … the biggest and baddest ever! So big, >>>> that no one in a million years will ever challenge it. That sure sounds a >>>> lot like Reagan’s “peace through strength.” Neocons do love Reagan. And, as >>>> if on cue, the Kristol/Kagan-led “Foreign Policy Initiative” *just >>>> posted* >>>> <http://foreignpolicyi.org/content/fpi-bulletin-why-it%E2%80%99s-time-re-invest-us-military> >>>> a clarion call to spend more bucks to buy bigger bangs for an already >>>> *gargantuan* >>>> <https://www.nationalpriorities.org/campaigns/us-military-spending-vs-world/> >>>> military. Doesn’t that fit with Donald’s plan to spend defense dollars like >>>> a drunken sailor? >>>> >>>> Maybe neocons don’t want the military to be *so big* that no one will >>>> ever try anything. Maybe they want a few challenges here and there, just >>>> for a little * creative destruction* >>>> <http://www.alternet.org/story/15860/who_is_michael_ledeen> to keep >>>> the world on its toes. But Trump’s right there with them. He wants to >>>> “*bomb >>>> the shit* <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8>” out of ISIS. >>>> And *he even said* >>>> <http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290115-trump-us-has-no-choice-but-to-bomb-isis-in-libya> >>>> America has “no choice but to bomb Libya” and “take out” the Islamic State. >>>> >>>> >>>> *C’mon, Neocons … What’s Not to Like? *And how about Trump’s >>>> Islamophobia? It sure seems *simpatico* >>>> <https://lobelog.com/the-neocon-islamophobe-nexus-clarion-brings-together-perle-and-gaffney/> >>>> with the last two decades of neoconservative drum-beating. Trump repeatedly >>>> uses the magic words “Radical Islamic Terrorism.” Can’t you just hear the >>>> longing sighs coming out of the *American Enterprise Institute* >>>> <http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/06/01/493383/aei-islamophobia-rubin-spencer/> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> He also wants to ban Muslims. Or “just” ban people coming from >>>> countries where Muslims have committed terrorism. Who knows? Either way, >>>> the message is “Muslims bad.” It even gave neocon bushwacker Frank Gaffney >>>> a serious *man-crush* >>>> <http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/08/donald-trump-frank-gaffney-islamophobia-poll/> >>>> on The Donald. >>>> >>>> To be fair, other less “fringy” neocons like Kristol have *repudiated* >>>> <http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/08/media/donald-trump-muslim-ban-conservative-media/> >>>> the Muslim ban idea. But, as *filmmaker Robbie Martin* >>>> <https://twitter.com/FluorescentGrey> showed in his just-completed >>>> series on the neocons and their “*very heavy agenda* >>>> <http://averyheavyagenda.blogspot.com/>,” even the most intellectually >>>> renowned among them has engaged in the dangerous stereotyping of all >>>> Muslims as terrorists. >>>> >>>> In fact, Martin featured a *frightening clip* >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdcj4-2RePo> of two Kagans (Robert’s >>>> dad Donald and his brother Fred) making the case that the U.S. military >>>> should clean out the Occupied Territories in the aftermath of 9/11 because >>>> radical Muslims and “the Arabs” are all basically the same. Oh, by the way, >>>> they only respect brute force. So why not take advantage of the “New Pearl >>>> Harbor” and show them all who’s boss? >>>> >>>> It’s kinda like the “dancing Muslims” Trump *and only Trump* >>>> <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/22/donald-trump/fact-checking-trumps-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/> >>>> saw celebrating the 9/11 attacks in New Jersey. Even if he didn’t see >>>> them, or just conflated them with an *isolated incident* >>>> <http://www.mediaite.com/online/this-is-the-footage-donald-trump-thinks-he-saw-on-911/> >>>> in East Jerusalem, what’s the difference? It’s all the same to him. >>>> >>>> Just like aggrieved and aggressive Muslims were all the same to the >>>> Kagans on 9/11. Doesn’t that make Trump’s persistent suspicion of Muslims a >>>> perfect match for the neoconservative wrecking crew? >>>> >>>> And then there’s the Iran nuclear deal, which Trump has relentlessly >>>> criticized as being so bad that it’s downright *suspicious* >>>> <http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/264598-trump-iran-deal-was-so-bad-its-suspicious>. >>>> He said he wants to “ *renegotiate* >>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/04/donald-trump-is-right-about-tearing-up-the-iran-deal-says-a-leading-iranian-hard-liner/>” >>>> immediately after taking office. And he *wrongly claims* >>>> <https://lobelog.com/trump-got-pretty-much-everything-wrong-about-the-iran-deal/> >>>> the deal is a fast-track to a nuclear-armed Iran (an error that puts him >>>> squarely in the neocon camp). As a rule of thumb, he’s *livid* >>>> <http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-iran-video-money/2016/08/03/id/742028/> >>>> about all things related to Iran. So, what’s the problem? Why can’t the >>>> neocons wrap their arms around Donald Trump? >>>> >>>> >>>> *In a Word: Russia. *It’s framed as a troublesome “bromance” between >>>> Vladimir Putin and Trump. Critics don’t like Trump’s comfort with a “ >>>> *dictator* >>>> <http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2016-07-27-US--DEM%202016-Convention-The%20Latest/id-4dd74d65754940aba8f481692dc73d28>” >>>> who, as Kagan’s wife Victoria Nuland *recently told* >>>> <http://russialist.org/video-transcript-russian-violations-of-borders-treaties-and-human-rights-u-s-senate-testimony-by-assistant-secretary-victoria-nuland-russia-ukraine-syria-senate-video-nuland/> >>>> the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, engages in “aggression.” She’s >>>> currently the assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian >>>> Affairs. She *basically managed* >>>> <https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/> the >>>> *2014 >>>> coup* >>>> <http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/> >>>> in Ukraine. And she’s outraged by Russian aggression in Ukraine. >>>> >>>> But she’s not bothered by her * husband’s role* >>>> <http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/regime-change-trauma/> in pushing for >>>> the most blatant and wanton act of aggression thus far this century the >>>> unwarranted destruction of Iraq. Go figure. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, Putin has the *unmitigated gall* >>>> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/4/russia-counters-us-nato-moves-eastern-europe-its-o/> >>>> to move military forces around *inside* the borders of *his own* >>>> country. He’s * blamed* >>>> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSKCN10B0IX> >>>> for hacking the Democratic Party despite a *lack of actual evidence* >>>> <http://fair.org/home/nyt-leads-with-russia-hack-conspiracy-despite-no-evidence-in-next-to-last-paragraph/> >>>> and the NSA’s own *hacking hijinks* >>>> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-election-intelligence-commentary-idUSKCN10F1H5>. >>>> And he’s accused of “ *meddling* >>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/world/europe/dnc-hack-russia.html>” >>>> in U.S. elections a pretty rich accusation given America’s long history >>>> of *surreptitious electioneering* >>>> <http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2014/03/24/us-democracy-promotion-destroys-democracy-overseas/> >>>> around the world. >>>> >>>> There is *no doubt* >>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-quotes/index.html> >>>> that “Bad Vlad” likes Donald. And Donald *likes* >>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/donald-trump-praises-defends-vladimir-putin/> >>>> Vlad. But the real problem isn’t their bromance. This is about the >>>> neoconservative desire to make sure the United States is the lone guarantor >>>> of the geopolitical order. This is about Pax Americana. This is about >>>> resurrecting the faded dream of a new American century. >>>> >>>> And what stands in the way of the type of the neocon dream of global >>>> “full-spectrum dominance?” Russia’s nuclear arsenal. >>>> >>>> Russia is the only nation with an arsenal big enough to withstand the >>>> subtle nuclear blackmail of America’s trillion-dollar nuclear “ >>>> *upgrade* >>>> <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-02/us-begins-upgrading-its-nuclear-bomb-arsenal>.” >>>> That’s why *Russia is concerned* >>>> <http://thebulletin.org/technical-concerns-why-russia-worries-about-missile-defense> >>>> about the *missile defense systems* >>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nato-takes-control-of-us-built-missile-defense-shield_us_578009d5e4b0344d514f528b> >>>> arrayed on their border. Those systems can knock down retaliatory strikes, >>>> thus making a first strike with *new nuclear cruise missiles* >>>> <http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/881056/af-releases-request-for-proposal-for-nuclear-air-launched-cruise-missile-replac.aspx> >>>> at least theoretically possible. >>>> >>>> The United States is also using NATO expansion to *increasingly >>>> encircle* >>>> <http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/u-s-nato-troop-buildup-in-eastern-europe-to-counter-russians-is-largest-since-cold-war/> >>>> a nation that once was America’s geopolitical equal. That’s why Trump’s >>>> criticism of America’s outsized support for NATO must’ve been the tipping >>>> point from disdain to panic among *neocon* >>>> <http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-boot-trump-russian-connection-20160725-snap-story.html> >>>> and *neoliberal* >>>> <http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/madeleine-albright-trump-victory-putin-gift> >>>> interventionists alike. >>>> >>>> The oddity is that there does seem to be more than a passing affinity >>>> between Trump and Putin. Trump’s *statements on Ukraine* >>>> <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/aug/04/what-you-need-know-about-donald-trump-russia-and-u/> >>>> would be easily dismissed if his *campaign manager Paul Manafort* >>>> <http://www.politico.eu/article/trump-changed-views-on-ukraine-after-hiring-paul-manafort-campaign-manager-russia-vladimir-putin/> >>>> hadn’t *worked as a political consultant* >>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/us/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html> >>>> to the pre-Nuland leadership of Ukraine. And Trump’s statements on Crimea >>>> might be written off if he’d release his taxes and end speculation of >>>> financial ties to Putin’s regime. >>>> >>>> But the visceral reaction against his repeated calls for cooperation *“By >>>> the way, wouldn’t it be great if we got along with Russia?”* >>>> <http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/08/03/Trump-Slams-US-Military-Arms-He-Swoons-Over-Russian-Military> >>>> exposes the extent to which the entire foreign policy and political >>>> establishments are squarely on the same page. They are angling for Cold War >>>> 2.0, and Trump is the only major figure willing to challenge that >>>> orthodoxy. >>>> >>>> Unlike Hillary Clinton, of course, which brings the whole thing back to >>>> the miasma of confusion hanging over this strange election. Hillary is *on >>>> the neocon team* >>>> <http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/clinton-megadonor-islamophobic/> if >>>> not in name, certainly in deed. She will “ *stand up* >>>> <http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/10/13/hillary-clinton-democratic-debate-putin-bully-13.cnn>” >>>> to Bad Vlad. She’s targeted by Russian hackers because Putin prefers his “ >>>> *unwitting >>>> agent* >>>> <http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/michael-morell-endorses-clinton-226707>” >>>> Donald Trump. And Donald is, *according to an emerging narrative* >>>> <http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/trumps-turn-toward-appeasement/493934/>, >>>> a latter-day Neville Chamberlain just inviting the Ruskies to take over the >>>> Baltic States, Ukraine, and God knows what else. >>>> >>>> The greatest irony of all is that Trump catapulted over the neocons’ >>>> preferred presidential options by slamming their pet project the War on >>>> Iraq. Trump’s criticism of that war and the chaos it unleashed resonated >>>> with the very voters the Neocons took for granted as pliable, >>>> fear-responsive bumpkins. That left the neocons out in the cold just as >>>> they were angling to trump the disorderly, hard-to-prosecute mess they call >>>> “The Global War on Terror.” >>>> >>>> What they really want, and have always wanted, is to revive the >>>> greatest war of all the Cold War. That’s the grand chessboard they yearn >>>> to play on once again. The War on Terror was really just a stop-gap, like >>>> methadone for imperialists. But now they’ve scored because it looks like >>>> the supposed party of imperial intransigence is, under the guidance of >>>> Hillary Clinton, poised to take the reins from a Trump-addled GOP. >>>> >>>> And if a *recent article in * >>>> <http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/breedlove-network-sought-weapons-deliveries-for-ukraine-a-1104837.html> >>>> *Der >>>> Spiegel* >>>> <http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/breedlove-network-sought-weapons-deliveries-for-ukraine-a-1104837.html> >>>> is right, Kagan’s wife Victoria has emerged as a candidate for the prized >>>> position of secretary of state should Hillary win. If that comes to pass, >>>> the neocons may not have succeeded in their initial plan for a new American >>>> century, but they will have hastily completed their last-minute project for >>>> a new Democratic Party. 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