Where I was going with this, was that it seems to me, that most of those "Republicans" who are now championing Hil Clinton and are, "#*NeverTrump*"; are also "Open Borders" advocates --- cite example please.
On Friday, August 12, 2016 at 3:00:25 PM UTC-5, KeithInTampa wrote: > > Where I was going with this, was that it seems to me, that most of those > "Republicans" who are now championing Hil Clinton and are, "#*NeverTrump*"; > are also "Open Borders" advocates, and don't place as great an emphasis on > real National Security as many conservatives do! Many refuse to ackowledge > the distinction between Islamic/Sharia indoctrination and culture, which is > in total conflict with Western ideals and values; not to mention most each > and every Western Nation's laws and culture! > > Therein lies the biggest distinction, > > On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 3:57 PM, Keith In Tampa <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> The conflict in my mind at least, is not so much about >> "Neo-Conservatism"; (and I'll come back to the true definition of >> "Neo-Con"!) but more of an elitist, globalist perspective. >> >> Donald Trump, with in my opinion conservative flair, promised and >> guaranteed to rebuild our military; of which the Obama Administration has >> literally gutted the last eight years. Our troop strength is nominal; our >> naval fleet, although admittedly needing redesign for the New Millennium; >> has also been gutted and not matching the demands of Pacific or Atlantic >> needs; our Air Force is also severely lacking; stories of crewmen scavaging >> for parts from junk yards and museums; and a lack of qualified pilots. Not >> to mention the literal shift in military philosophy and the adoption of >> tacics and theories by the Obama Administration; who now perceives "Climate >> Change" as the number one threat to our national security. >> >> Although I agree that Hil Clinton, like her husband who utilized military >> force and a pseudo-war in Bosnia to divert attention from domestic troubles >> and cum stains on a dress; is more likely to engage in "Nation Building" >> more so than Donald Trump; I don't think that there's any question that >> Trump would be more suited to meeting the demands of the 21st Century than >> Hil Clinton! >> >> By definition, (and maybe somewhat simplified!) all "Neo-Cons" are former >> Democrats; the majority of which are usually Jewish and also usually place >> Israel's foreign policy above and before the United States' foreign policy; >> generally believe in a strong central government, with a "Federalist" >> perspective; *e.g*.; a large federal government, with emphasis placed on >> military versus social spending. . Neo-Con's were usually motivated to vote >> Republican because of the Republican platform of a strong national defense. >> Nothing has changed in my opinion with Donald Trump in that >> regard....What has changed is the thought process of getting involved in >> far flung controversies that have nothing to do with "our"; *e.g*.; the >> United States' National interests; versus Israel's National interests..... >> >> On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 7:52 AM, geoffrey theist <[email protected] >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> The balance of power has changed in the middle east starting at bush >>> 41.helped along by the neocons. why? I certainly don't know but the >>> paradigm has shifted. Trump has played ball to a degree after all he's a >>> deal maker.but Trump is a nationalist and this doesn't fit the noecon mold. >>> Trump is trying to deal but I'm sure he know that he's dealing with snakes. >>> >>> On Aug 12, 2016 6:21 AM, "MJ" <[email protected] <javascript:>> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> August 7, 2016 >>>> >>>> *Why Neocons Can’t Stomach Trump * >>>> *Neocons are jumping off the Republican ship for Hillary Clinton even >>>> though Donald Trump has shifted their way on Israel and military spending. >>>> The big reason is his resistance to a new Cold War with Russia, says JP >>>> Sottile. *By JP Sottile >>>> >>>> Bill Kristol is downright *despondent* >>>> <http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/07/2016-bill-kristol-republicans-conservative-movement-donald-trump-politics-214025> >>>> >>>> after his *failed search* >>>> <http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/27/bill-kristol-and-a-bush-looking-libertar> >>>> >>>> for an alternative to Donald Trump. Max Boot is *indignant* >>>> <http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/max-boot-anti-trump-foreign-policy> >>>> about his “ *stupid* >>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/opinion/how-the-stupid-party-created-donald-trump.html>” >>>> >>>> party’s willingness to ride a bragging bull into a delicate *China* >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDrfE9I8_hs> policy shop. And the >>>> leading light of the first family of military interventionism *Robert >>>> Kagan* >>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/there-is-something-very-wrong-with-donald-trump/2016/08/01/73809c72-57fe-11e6-831d-0324760ca856_story.html> >>>> >>>> is *actually lining up neoconservatives* >>>> <https://theintercept.com/2016/07/25/robert-kagan-and-other-neocons-back-hillary-clinton/> >>>> >>>> behind the Democratic nominee for president of the United States. >>>> >>>> At the same time, the Democrats have become the party of bare-knuckled, >>>> full-throated American Exceptionalism. That transformation was announced >>>> with a *vein-popping zeal* >>>> <http://reason.com/blog/2016/07/31/readwatch-the-scariest-speech-from-both> >>>> >>>> by retired general and *wannabe motivation screamer* >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXsFwGA4VpM> John Allen at the >>>> Democratic convention in the City of Brotherly Love. During his “speech,” >>>> a >>>> few plaintive protests of “ *no more war* >>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/video/politics/john-allens-speech-at-convention-met-with-usa-chants/2016/07/28/641a470e-5530-11e6-b652-315ae5d4d4dd_video.html>” >>>> >>>> were actually drowned-out by Democrats chanting “USA-USA-USA!” >>>> >>>> This is the same Democratic Party often criticized by Kagan & Co. as >>>> the purveyors of timidity, flaccidity and moral perfidy. It’s not that >>>> Democrats haven’t dropped bombs, dealt arms and overturned regimes. They >>>> have. And they’ve even got the Peace Prize-winning *Obama-dropper* >>>> <http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/07/06/the-numbers-in-obamas-drone-death-report-dont-add-up/> >>>> >>>> to prove it. But unlike enthusiastically belligerent Republicans, the >>>> Dems >>>> are supposed to be the party that does it, but doesn’t really like to do >>>> it. >>>> >>>> But now, they’ve got Hillary Clinton. And she’s *weaponized* >>>> <http://newsvandal.com/2014/06/hillary-clinton-and-the-weaponization-of-the-state-department/> >>>> >>>> the State Department. She *really likes* >>>> <http://foreignpolicy.com/2016/07/27/hillary-the-hawk-a-history-clinton-2016-military-intervention-libya-iraq-syria/> >>>> >>>> regime change. And her nominating convention not only embraced the >>>> military, but it sanctified the very Gold Star families that neocon-style >>>> interventionism creates. It certainly *created the pain* >>>> <http://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2016/08/04/trump-khan-iraq-vote> of >>>> the Khan family who lost their son in the * illegal* >>>> <https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/16/iraq.iraq> war in Iraq. >>>> But the Dems didn’t mention that sad fact as they grabbed the flag away >>>> from the Republicans. >>>> >>>> >>>> *Truly Neo-confusing. *It kinda feels like reality has slipped off its >>>> axis and we’ve landed on a *Bizarro World* >>>> <http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Htrae> version of America. Democrats are >>>> acting like Republicans. Pat Buchanan is championing the GOP’s “*Peace >>>> Candidate* <http://buchanan.org/blog/trump-peace-candidate-125499>.” >>>> And the neocons are fleeing from the party they’ve used like a >>>> geopolitical >>>> cudgel for the better part of three decades. >>>> >>>> At first glance, it all makes sense. Trump captured the GOP nomination >>>> in no small part by trashing two of the neocons’ favorite things ever >>>> the >>>> Bush family and the Iraq War. He also suggested early on that he’d >>>> approach >>>> the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza as (gasp!) an honest >>>> broker. Trump said he really wanted to “ *make that deal* >>>> <http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-says-he-will-try-to-broker-israeli-palestinian-peace-deal/>.” >>>> >>>> Without irony, one-time *neocon wonderboy* >>>> <https://consortiumnews.com/2015/11/18/neocons-make-rubio-their-favorite/> >>>> Marco Rubio remarked that it isn’t a “ *real estate deal* >>>> <http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/270866-rubio-to-trump-israel-palestinian-conflict-isnt-a-real>” >>>> >>>> when, in fact, that’s exactly what it is. >>>> >>>> But the ever-pliable Trump *quickly got religion* >>>> <http://www.timesofisrael.com/trump-palestinians-must-stop-terror-for-peace-deal/> >>>> >>>> on Israel. He did an *about-face* >>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-israel-settlements_us_572a03ede4b096e9f08fc693>, >>>> >>>> marched into AIPAC’s annual confab, and* staked out a claim* >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQgDgMGuDI0> on the *reflexively >>>> pro-Israel* >>>> <http://nypost.com/2016/07/20/trump-is-plainly-the-best-bet-for-the-jews/> >>>> side of the issue. But it wasn’t enough to assuage the angst of the GOP’s >>>> forever-circling hawks. >>>> >>>> Frankly, nothing seems enough to sway the neocons in Donald’s >>>> direction. But it’s not for lack of trying on Trump’s part. Really, he’s >>>> checked off many of the boxes that make neocons smile. >>>> >>>> Trump wants a “yuuge” military … the biggest and baddest ever! So big, >>>> that no one in a million years will ever challenge it. That sure sounds a >>>> lot like Reagan’s “peace through strength.” Neocons do love Reagan. And, >>>> as >>>> if on cue, the Kristol/Kagan-led “Foreign Policy Initiative” *just >>>> posted* >>>> <http://foreignpolicyi.org/content/fpi-bulletin-why-it%E2%80%99s-time-re-invest-us-military> >>>> >>>> a clarion call to spend more bucks to buy bigger bangs for an already >>>> *gargantuan* >>>> <https://www.nationalpriorities.org/campaigns/us-military-spending-vs-world/> >>>> >>>> military. Doesn’t that fit with Donald’s plan to spend defense dollars >>>> like >>>> a drunken sailor? >>>> >>>> Maybe neocons don’t want the military to be *so big* that no one will >>>> ever try anything. Maybe they want a few challenges here and there, just >>>> for a little * creative destruction* >>>> <http://www.alternet.org/story/15860/who_is_michael_ledeen> to keep >>>> the world on its toes. But Trump’s right there with them. He wants to >>>> “*bomb >>>> the shit* <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWejiXvd-P8>” out of ISIS. >>>> And *he even said* >>>> <http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/290115-trump-us-has-no-choice-but-to-bomb-isis-in-libya> >>>> >>>> America has “no choice but to bomb Libya” and “take out” the Islamic State. >>>> >>>> >>>> *C’mon, Neocons … What’s Not to Like? *And how about Trump’s >>>> Islamophobia? It sure seems *simpatico* >>>> <https://lobelog.com/the-neocon-islamophobe-nexus-clarion-brings-together-perle-and-gaffney/> >>>> >>>> with the last two decades of neoconservative drum-beating. Trump >>>> repeatedly >>>> uses the magic words “Radical Islamic Terrorism.” Can’t you just hear >>>> the >>>> longing sighs coming out of the *American Enterprise Institute* >>>> <http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/06/01/493383/aei-islamophobia-rubin-spencer/> >>>> ? >>>> >>>> He also wants to ban Muslims. Or “just” ban people coming from >>>> countries where Muslims have committed terrorism. Who knows? Either way, >>>> the message is “Muslims bad.” It even gave neocon bushwacker Frank Gaffney >>>> a serious *man-crush* >>>> <http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/12/08/donald-trump-frank-gaffney-islamophobia-poll/> >>>> >>>> on The Donald. >>>> >>>> To be fair, other less “fringy” neocons like Kristol have *repudiated* >>>> <http://money.cnn.com/2015/12/08/media/donald-trump-muslim-ban-conservative-media/> >>>> >>>> the Muslim ban idea. But, as *filmmaker Robbie Martin* >>>> <https://twitter.com/FluorescentGrey> showed in his just-completed >>>> series on the neocons and their “*very heavy agenda* >>>> <http://averyheavyagenda.blogspot.com/>,” even the most intellectually >>>> renowned among them has engaged in the dangerous stereotyping of all >>>> Muslims as terrorists. >>>> >>>> In fact, Martin featured a *frightening clip* >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdcj4-2RePo> of two Kagans (Robert’s >>>> dad Donald and his brother Fred) making the case that the U.S. military >>>> should clean out the Occupied Territories in the aftermath of 9/11 because >>>> radical Muslims and “the Arabs” are all basically the same. Oh, by the >>>> way, >>>> they only respect brute force. So why not take advantage of the “New Pearl >>>> Harbor” and show them all who’s boss? >>>> >>>> It’s kinda like the “dancing Muslims” Trump *and only Trump* >>>> <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/nov/22/donald-trump/fact-checking-trumps-claim-thousands-new-jersey-ch/> >>>> >>>> saw celebrating the 9/11 attacks in New Jersey. Even if he didn’t see >>>> them, or just conflated them with an *isolated incident* >>>> <http://www.mediaite.com/online/this-is-the-footage-donald-trump-thinks-he-saw-on-911/> >>>> >>>> in East Jerusalem, what’s the difference? It’s all the same to him. >>>> >>>> Just like aggrieved and aggressive Muslims were all the same to the >>>> Kagans on 9/11. Doesn’t that make Trump’s persistent suspicion of Muslims >>>> a >>>> perfect match for the neoconservative wrecking crew? >>>> >>>> And then there’s the Iran nuclear deal, which Trump has relentlessly >>>> criticized as being so bad that it’s downright *suspicious* >>>> <http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/264598-trump-iran-deal-was-so-bad-its-suspicious>. >>>> >>>> He said he wants to “ *renegotiate* >>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/04/04/donald-trump-is-right-about-tearing-up-the-iran-deal-says-a-leading-iranian-hard-liner/>” >>>> >>>> immediately after taking office. And he *wrongly claims* >>>> <https://lobelog.com/trump-got-pretty-much-everything-wrong-about-the-iran-deal/> >>>> >>>> the deal is a fast-track to a nuclear-armed Iran (an error that puts him >>>> squarely in the neocon camp). As a rule of thumb, he’s *livid* >>>> <http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/trump-iran-video-money/2016/08/03/id/742028/> >>>> >>>> about all things related to Iran. So, what’s the problem? Why can’t the >>>> neocons wrap their arms around Donald Trump? >>>> >>>> >>>> *In a Word: Russia. *It’s framed as a troublesome “bromance” between >>>> Vladimir Putin and Trump. Critics don’t like Trump’s comfort with a “ >>>> *dictator* >>>> <http://hosted2.ap.org/APDEFAULT/3d281c11a96b4ad082fe88aa0db04305/Article_2016-07-27-US--DEM%202016-Convention-The%20Latest/id-4dd74d65754940aba8f481692dc73d28>” >>>> >>>> who, as Kagan’s wife Victoria Nuland *recently told* >>>> <http://russialist.org/video-transcript-russian-violations-of-borders-treaties-and-human-rights-u-s-senate-testimony-by-assistant-secretary-victoria-nuland-russia-ukraine-syria-senate-video-nuland/> >>>> >>>> the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, engages in “aggression.” She’s >>>> currently the assistant secretary of state for European and Eurasian >>>> Affairs. She *basically managed* >>>> <https://consortiumnews.com/2015/07/13/the-mess-that-nuland-made/> the >>>> *2014 >>>> coup* >>>> <http://www.counterpunch.org/2014/03/05/chronology-of-the-ukrainian-coup/> >>>> in Ukraine. And she’s outraged by Russian aggression in Ukraine. >>>> >>>> But she’s not bothered by her * husband’s role* >>>> <http://mondoweiss.net/2015/11/regime-change-trauma/> in pushing for >>>> the most blatant and wanton act of aggression thus far this century the >>>> unwarranted destruction of Iraq. Go figure. >>>> >>>> On the other hand, Putin has the *unmitigated gall* >>>> <http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/may/4/russia-counters-us-nato-moves-eastern-europe-its-o/> >>>> >>>> to move military forces around *inside* the borders of *his own* >>>> country. He’s * blamed* >>>> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-clinton-idUSKCN10B0IX> >>>> for hacking the Democratic Party despite a *lack of actual evidence* >>>> <http://fair.org/home/nyt-leads-with-russia-hack-conspiracy-despite-no-evidence-in-next-to-last-paragraph/> >>>> >>>> and the NSA’s own *hacking hijinks* >>>> <http://www.reuters.com/article/us-election-intelligence-commentary-idUSKCN10F1H5>. >>>> >>>> And he’s accused of “ *meddling* >>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/30/world/europe/dnc-hack-russia.html>” >>>> in U.S. elections a pretty rich accusation given America’s long history >>>> of *surreptitious electioneering* >>>> <http://original.antiwar.com/paul/2014/03/24/us-democracy-promotion-destroys-democracy-overseas/> >>>> >>>> around the world. >>>> >>>> There is *no doubt* >>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/28/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-quotes/index.html> >>>> >>>> that “Bad Vlad” likes Donald. And Donald *likes* >>>> <http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/18/politics/donald-trump-praises-defends-vladimir-putin/> >>>> >>>> Vlad. But the real problem isn’t their bromance. This is about the >>>> neoconservative desire to make sure the United States is the lone >>>> guarantor >>>> of the geopolitical order. This is about Pax Americana. This is about >>>> resurrecting the faded dream of a new American century. >>>> >>>> And what stands in the way of the type of the neocon dream of global >>>> “full-spectrum dominance?” Russia’s nuclear arsenal. >>>> >>>> Russia is the only nation with an arsenal big enough to withstand the >>>> subtle nuclear blackmail of America’s trillion-dollar nuclear “ >>>> *upgrade* >>>> <http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-08-02/us-begins-upgrading-its-nuclear-bomb-arsenal>.” >>>> >>>> That’s why *Russia is concerned* >>>> <http://thebulletin.org/technical-concerns-why-russia-worries-about-missile-defense> >>>> >>>> about the *missile defense systems* >>>> <http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/nato-takes-control-of-us-built-missile-defense-shield_us_578009d5e4b0344d514f528b> >>>> >>>> arrayed on their border. Those systems can knock down retaliatory strikes, >>>> thus making a first strike with *new nuclear cruise missiles* >>>> <http://www.af.mil/News/ArticleDisplay/tabid/223/Article/881056/af-releases-request-for-proposal-for-nuclear-air-launched-cruise-missile-replac.aspx> >>>> >>>> at least theoretically possible. >>>> >>>> The United States is also using NATO expansion to *increasingly >>>> encircle* >>>> <http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/u-s-nato-troop-buildup-in-eastern-europe-to-counter-russians-is-largest-since-cold-war/> >>>> >>>> a nation that once was America’s geopolitical equal. That’s why Trump’s >>>> criticism of America’s outsized support for NATO must’ve been the tipping >>>> point from disdain to panic among *neocon* >>>> <http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-boot-trump-russian-connection-20160725-snap-story.html> >>>> >>>> and *neoliberal* >>>> <http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/madeleine-albright-trump-victory-putin-gift> >>>> >>>> interventionists alike. >>>> >>>> The oddity is that there does seem to be more than a passing affinity >>>> between Trump and Putin. Trump’s *statements on Ukraine* >>>> <http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/aug/04/what-you-need-know-about-donald-trump-russia-and-u/> >>>> >>>> would be easily dismissed if his *campaign manager Paul Manafort* >>>> <http://www.politico.eu/article/trump-changed-views-on-ukraine-after-hiring-paul-manafort-campaign-manager-russia-vladimir-putin/> >>>> >>>> hadn’t *worked as a political consultant* >>>> <http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/us/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html> >>>> >>>> to the pre-Nuland leadership of Ukraine. And Trump’s statements on Crimea >>>> might be written off if he’d release his taxes and end speculation of >>>> financial ties to Putin’s regime. >>>> >>>> But the visceral reaction against his repeated calls for cooperation >>>> *“By >>>> the way, wouldn’t it be great if we got along with Russia?”* >>>> <http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/2016/08/03/Trump-Slams-US-Military-Arms-He-Swoons-Over-Russian-Military> >>>> >>>> exposes the extent to which the entire foreign policy and political >>>> establishments are squarely on the same page. They are angling for Cold >>>> War >>>> 2.0, and Trump is the only major figure willing to challenge that >>>> orthodoxy. >>>> >>>> Unlike Hillary Clinton, of course, which brings the whole thing back to >>>> the miasma of confusion hanging over this strange election. Hillary is *on >>>> the neocon team* >>>> <http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/clinton-megadonor-islamophobic/> if >>>> not in name, certainly in deed. She will “ *stand up* >>>> <http://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/10/13/hillary-clinton-democratic-debate-putin-bully-13.cnn>” >>>> >>>> to Bad Vlad. She’s targeted by Russian hackers because Putin prefers his “ >>>> *unwitting >>>> agent* >>>> <http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/michael-morell-endorses-clinton-226707>” >>>> >>>> Donald Trump. And Donald is, *according to an emerging narrative* >>>> <http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/trumps-turn-toward-appeasement/493934/>, >>>> >>>> a latter-day Neville Chamberlain just inviting the Ruskies to take over >>>> the >>>> Baltic States, Ukraine, and God knows what else. >>>> >>>> The greatest irony of all is that Trump catapulted over the neocons’ >>>> preferred presidential options by slamming their pet project the War on >>>> Iraq. Trump’s criticism of that war and the chaos it unleashed resonated >>>> with the very voters the Neocons took for granted as pliable, >>>> fear-responsive bumpkins. That left the neocons out in the cold just as >>>> they were angling to trump the disorderly, hard-to-prosecute mess they >>>> call >>>> “The Global War on Terror.” >>>> >>>> What they really want, and have always wanted, is to revive the >>>> greatest war of all the Cold War. That’s the grand chessboard they yearn >>>> to play on once again. The War on Terror was really just a stop-gap, like >>>> methadone for imperialists. But now they’ve scored because it looks like >>>> the supposed party of imperial intransigence is, under the guidance of >>>> Hillary Clinton, poised to take the reins from a Trump-addled GOP. >>>> >>>> And if a *recent article in * >>>> <http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/breedlove-network-sought-weapons-deliveries-for-ukraine-a-1104837.html> >>>> *Der >>>> Spiegel* >>>> <http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/breedlove-network-sought-weapons-deliveries-for-ukraine-a-1104837.html> >>>> >>>> is right, Kagan’s wife Victoria has emerged as a candidate for the prized >>>> position of secretary of state should Hillary win. If that comes to pass, >>>> the neocons may not have succeeded in their initial plan for a new >>>> American >>>> century, but they will have hastily completed their last-minute project >>>> for >>>> a new Democratic Party. And that means this election isn’t that >>>> Neo-confusing after all. >>>> >>>> >>>> https://consortiumnews.com/2016/08/07/why-neocons-cant-stomach-trump/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> * It's active and moderated. 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