Pence didn't touch upon "War" during the debate...Pence did mention the creation of "Safe Zones" within Syria to stop the influx of refugees.
Makes sense.....A position Trump has had for a year. On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 12:49 PM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> wrote: > Didn't watch the debate myself. Pence did sign legislation in Indiana > changing it to a right to work state. And he's apparently improved Indiana > economy thru his policies. but it is said that he was picked as a > compromise to the Ryan faction for their support such as it is. And the GOP > establishments war policy pretty much mirrors the democrats hence uniparty > > On Oct 7, 2016 11:18 AM, "Keith In Tampa" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> This guy Mulshine is clearly ignorant and knows not of what he speaks. >> >> Donald Trump has been quite outspoken on setting up "Safe Zones" within >> Syria, and stopping the refugee influx into Europa and the United States. >> >> Nothing Pence said was in contradiction to Donald Trump's position and >> conservative policy. Most everything Pence said was in direct >> contradiction to Hill Clinton's and the Obama Administration's policies. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 11:51 AM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Pence is the same type of compromise VP pick as bush sr was to Reagan >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2016 7:10 AM, "MJ" <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> October 06, 2016 >>>> >>>> *Pence is dense on defense: Did he realize he was supporting Hillary >>>> and opposing Trump? *By Paul Mulshine >>>> >>>> As I've noted, there's a reason they call the Midwest the heartland and >>>> not the brainland. >>>> >>>> Mike Pence showed why in that debate Monday night. >>>> >>>> Pence was good on domestic issues. But when it came to foreign policy, >>>> the Indiana governor seemed to have no idea that he was endorsing the same >>>> liberal internationalist philosophy as his Democratic opponent, Tim Kaine. >>>> >>>> He also seemed to have no idea he was directly contradicting Donald >>>> Trump on the key issue of intervening in Syria. >>>> >>>> Here's what Pence should have said when the question of Syria came up: >>>> "As Donald Trump has been wisely noting since the beginning of the Iraq >>>> War, removing secular dictators in the Mideast can only lead to the >>>> ascension of Islamic fundamentalist groups. What on Earth was Hillary >>>> Clinton thinking when she urged Barack Obama to depose Moammar Gadhafi in >>>> Libya? Why on Earth did she decide it was a good idea to arm militant >>>> Muslim rebels to fight against the government of Syria?" >>>> "Oh yeah, why does she still want us to implement a no-fly zone there >>>> that would put us on a war footing with Russia? You Democrats keep >>>> insisting Donald Trump can't be trusted with the nuclear button, but >>>> Hillary's got her finger on it with that insane policy." >>>> >>>> That's what he should have said. >>>> >>>> Here's what he actually said about Syria's battle to oust rebel forces >>>> from Aleppo. >>>> "I truly do believe that what America ought to do right now is >>>> immediately establish safe zones so that families, and vulnerable families >>>> with children can move out of those areas, work with our Arab partners, >>>> real-time, right now, to make that happen, and secondly, I just have to >>>> tell you that the provocations by Russia need to be met with American >>>> strength. And if Russia chooses to be involved and continue, I should say, >>>> to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in Aleppo, the United >>>> States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike >>>> military targets of the Assad regime, to prevent them from this >>>> humanitarian crisis that is taking place in Aleppo." >>>> >>>> Can he really be this clueless? >>>> >>>> Pence didn't seem to have the slightest inkling that he was endorsing >>>> Hillary Clinton's disastrous policy of meddling in the Mideast – and >>>> opposing Trump's policy of defeating ISIS and then getting out. >>>> >>>> For that matter, he didn't seem to realize that by opposing the Syrian >>>> regime he was opposing the biggest enemy ISIS has. >>>> >>>> And it's not the U.S. government. >>>> >>>> Unlike Barack Obama, Bashar Assad has a plan to defeat ISIS – and he >>>> and the Russians are carrying it out. >>>> >>>> Yet Pence has backed Clinton's call for a no-fly zone in which the U.S. >>>> would target not ISIS but the Syrians and Russians fighting ISIS. >>>> >>>> Just a few days before, a top general testified before Congress that >>>> setting up a no-fly zone in Syria would bring us into conflict with Russia. >>>> >>>> Go to Pat Lang's Sic Semper Tyrannis blog >>>> <http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/10/httpwwwalternetorgworldinside-shadowy-pr-firm-thats-driving-western-opinion-towards-regime-change-syria.html> >>>> for a discussion of just how insane it would be for the U.S. to try and set >>>> up a no-fly zone in a country we have no business flying over in the first >>>> place. >>>> >>>> Here's what the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told a Senate >>>> committee in response to one senator eager to set up a no-fly zone: >>>> "For us to control all the airspace in Syria would require us to go to >>>> war against Syria and Russia. That's a pretty fundamental decision that >>>> certainly I'm not going to make." >>>> >>>> Obviously setting up such a zone would do actually help ISIS, for the >>>> simple reason that ISIS has no air force. >>>> >>>> And as for the supposed barbarism of the joint Syrian/Russian attack >>>> on the rebels in Aleppo, is Pence so naive he doesn't realize that all >>>> urban warfare is barbaric? >>>> >>>> During the debate, Pence mentioned the U.S. attack on Fallujah in 2004. >>>> But he seemed to have no notion that that attack by the U.S. ended with a >>>> good part of the city in ruins. >>>> >>>> Here's a good piece from Antiwar.com >>>> <https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2016/10/05/ny-times-attacks-gary-johnson-for-equating-us-syria-war-crimes/>in >>>> which Jason Ditz takes on the New York Times for attacking Libertarian >>>> Party candidate Gary Johnson for making that rather obvious comparison: >>>> "Pressed on the civilian death toll of Syrian airstrikes against >>>> populated areas, and whether he saw those as equivalent to US airstrikes >>>> against populated areas, Johnson mockingly declared '*no of course not >>>> – we're so much better than all that. We're so much better when in >>>> Afghanistan, we bomb the hospital and 60 people are killed in the hospital* >>>> .'" >>>> >>>> Ditz goes on to add: >>>> "Johnson is referring to last year's Kunduz airstrikes, in which a US >>>> warplane repeatedly and deliberately bombed a Doctors Without Borders (MSF) >>>> hospital near Kunduz, Afghanistan, in what officials later characterized as >>>> 'a mistake.' The Syrian government has recently been heavily criticized for >>>> airstrikes around Aleppo which hit hospitals." >>>> >>>> War is messy business. Only people like Pence and Kaine think it can be >>>> sanitized and made harmless. >>>> >>>> They agreed on that "safe zone" for Syria, but overlooked the fact that >>>> Secretary >>>> of State John Kerry said >>>> <https://theintercept.com/2016/10/05/did-tim-kaine-and-mike-pence-realize-that-safe-zones-in-syria-would-require-u-s-troops/>it >>>> would take 15,000 to 30,000 troops to maintain it. >>>> >>>> Pence also seems totally unaware that in Afghanistan we are fighting >>>> the same enemy the Assad regime is fighting : Militant fundamentalist >>>> Muslims who want to rid the planet of secular governments. >>>> >>>> He also seems to be unaware of the obvious reason the Obama regime has >>>> been so slow in attacking ISIS. Numerous inside-the-Beltway >>>> neocon/internationalist types have said their first priority is getting rid >>>> of Assad. >>>> >>>> They see ISIS as a tool for overthrowing Assad - a tool too valuable to >>>> take out of the toolbox just yet. >>>> >>>> Our Turkish and Saudi "allies" in the region are more concerned with >>>> getting rid of the secular Assad than the Sunni ISIS - which both have been >>>> accused of supplying. >>>> >>>> But for anyone truly opposed to ISIS, Assad would not be the enemy. >>>> He'd be our best ally. >>>> >>>> The Russians have that figured out. So has the Donald, who has stated >>>> he would ally with the Russians to defeat ISIS. >>>> >>>> So what was Pence up to? >>>> >>>> Maybe he's really dumb enough to believe what he was saying. >>>> >>>> A lot of people from the Midwest through no fault of their own grow up >>>> in isolated surroundings and only learn about the outside world after it's >>>> too late. >>>> >>>> There are some exceptions, but the typical Heartland politician seems >>>> to lack the sophistication to sort out a place like Syria, where there are >>>> numerous factions all at odds with each other. >>>> >>>> But I have a sneaking suspicion Pence may not be as dumb as he looks. >>>> >>>> Perhaps he's trying to ingratiate himself with the big donors in D.C. >>>> who support endless interventionism while pretending to be loyal to Trump. >>>> >>>> Chris Christie tried a similar stunt during the Republican Convention >>>> last summer. When he was supposed to be presenting the case for Trump, >>>> Christie contradicted him on removing Assad in Syria. Christie was for it, >>>> Trump against it. >>>> >>>> He also contradicted the Donald on relations with Vladimir Putin. Trump >>>> of course has said he'd get along fine with Putin while Christie attacked >>>> the Russian with the usual internationalist/neocon rhetoric. >>>> >>>> None of this stuff seems to bother Trump. >>>> >>>> He just lets his underlings pander to the same crowd of Beltway >>>> insiders that so hates the Donald. >>>> >>>> But Pence is lucky the American voters care little about the Mideast >>>> and understand even less. >>>> >>>> Otherwise he'd have a lot of explaining to do. >>>> >>>> *BELOW: *Ron Paul discusses the way Pence agrees with Kaine on the >>>> nutty "neo" conservative/liberal internationalist foreign policy pushed by >>>> Hillary Clinton - and supported by Pence. >>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=74KU4JVnT9Q >>>> >>>> http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/10/mike_pence_is_de >>>> nse_on_defense_did_he_realize_he_w.html >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>> >>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>> * It's active and moderated. 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