Hey Geoffrey, I am convinced that many of the polls are disingenuous; and that it's not really even close. That Donald Trump is ahead by at least 10, of not 15 or 20 points. (Other than idiots, Secular Progressives who are in fact Anti-American idiots; and just flat out uninformed low information voters, who is supporting Hil Clinton?)
My concern, is the potential to steal the election by voter fraud. They've uncovered thousands of illegal aliens registered to vote in Virginia and Pennsylvania, among other regions; and I feel confident that there's much more fraud going on that we've no idea about. On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 1:32 PM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> wrote: > Trump has got to quit stepping on his own sick now more than ever. My gut > tells me if he doesn't win with an undeniable landslide it might be stolen > away. The opposition is getting very desperate. Pence couldn't express any > opinions to keep out of discussing Donald's negs and to his credit he made > asshole kaine look like a bigger asshole. > > On Oct 7, 2016 12:11 PM, "Keith In Tampa" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Pence didn't touch upon "War" during the debate...Pence did mention the >> creation of "Safe Zones" within Syria to stop the influx of refugees. >> >> Makes sense.....A position Trump has had for a year. >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 12:49 PM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Didn't watch the debate myself. Pence did sign legislation in Indiana >>> changing it to a right to work state. And he's apparently improved Indiana >>> economy thru his policies. but it is said that he was picked as a >>> compromise to the Ryan faction for their support such as it is. And the GOP >>> establishments war policy pretty much mirrors the democrats hence uniparty >>> >>> On Oct 7, 2016 11:18 AM, "Keith In Tampa" <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> This guy Mulshine is clearly ignorant and knows not of what he speaks. >>>> >>>> Donald Trump has been quite outspoken on setting up "Safe Zones" within >>>> Syria, and stopping the refugee influx into Europa and the United States. >>>> >>>> Nothing Pence said was in contradiction to Donald Trump's position and >>>> conservative policy. Most everything Pence said was in direct >>>> contradiction to Hill Clinton's and the Obama Administration's policies. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 11:51 AM, geoffrey theist <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Pence is the same type of compromise VP pick as bush sr was to Reagan >>>>> >>>>> On Oct 7, 2016 7:10 AM, "MJ" <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> October 06, 2016 >>>>>> >>>>>> *Pence is dense on defense: Did he realize he was supporting Hillary >>>>>> and opposing Trump? *By Paul Mulshine >>>>>> >>>>>> As I've noted, there's a reason they call the Midwest the heartland >>>>>> and not the brainland. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mike Pence showed why in that debate Monday night. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pence was good on domestic issues. But when it came to foreign >>>>>> policy, the Indiana governor seemed to have no idea that he was endorsing >>>>>> the same liberal internationalist philosophy as his Democratic opponent, >>>>>> Tim Kaine. >>>>>> >>>>>> He also seemed to have no idea he was directly contradicting Donald >>>>>> Trump on the key issue of intervening in Syria. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's what Pence should have said when the question of Syria came up: >>>>>> "As Donald Trump has been wisely noting since the beginning of the >>>>>> Iraq War, removing secular dictators in the Mideast can only lead to the >>>>>> ascension of Islamic fundamentalist groups. What on Earth was Hillary >>>>>> Clinton thinking when she urged Barack Obama to depose Moammar Gadhafi in >>>>>> Libya? Why on Earth did she decide it was a good idea to arm militant >>>>>> Muslim rebels to fight against the government of Syria?" >>>>>> "Oh yeah, why does she still want us to implement a no-fly zone there >>>>>> that would put us on a war footing with Russia? You Democrats keep >>>>>> insisting Donald Trump can't be trusted with the nuclear button, but >>>>>> Hillary's got her finger on it with that insane policy." >>>>>> >>>>>> That's what he should have said. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's what he actually said about Syria's battle to oust rebel >>>>>> forces from Aleppo. >>>>>> "I truly do believe that what America ought to do right now is >>>>>> immediately establish safe zones so that families, and vulnerable >>>>>> families >>>>>> with children can move out of those areas, work with our Arab partners, >>>>>> real-time, right now, to make that happen, and secondly, I just have to >>>>>> tell you that the provocations by Russia need to be met with American >>>>>> strength. And if Russia chooses to be involved and continue, I should >>>>>> say, >>>>>> to be involved in this barbaric attack on civilians in Aleppo, the United >>>>>> States of America should be prepared to use military force to strike >>>>>> military targets of the Assad regime, to prevent them from this >>>>>> humanitarian crisis that is taking place in Aleppo." >>>>>> >>>>>> Can he really be this clueless? >>>>>> >>>>>> Pence didn't seem to have the slightest inkling that he was endorsing >>>>>> Hillary Clinton's disastrous policy of meddling in the Mideast – and >>>>>> opposing Trump's policy of defeating ISIS and then getting out. >>>>>> >>>>>> For that matter, he didn't seem to realize that by opposing the >>>>>> Syrian regime he was opposing the biggest enemy ISIS has. >>>>>> >>>>>> And it's not the U.S. government. >>>>>> >>>>>> Unlike Barack Obama, Bashar Assad has a plan to defeat ISIS – and he >>>>>> and the Russians are carrying it out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Yet Pence has backed Clinton's call for a no-fly zone in which the >>>>>> U.S. would target not ISIS but the Syrians and Russians fighting ISIS. >>>>>> >>>>>> Just a few days before, a top general testified before Congress that >>>>>> setting up a no-fly zone in Syria would bring us into conflict with >>>>>> Russia. >>>>>> >>>>>> Go to Pat Lang's Sic Semper Tyrannis blog >>>>>> <http://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2016/10/httpwwwalternetorgworldinside-shadowy-pr-firm-thats-driving-western-opinion-towards-regime-change-syria.html> >>>>>> for a discussion of just how insane it would be for the U.S. to try and >>>>>> set >>>>>> up a no-fly zone in a country we have no business flying over in the >>>>>> first >>>>>> place. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's what the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff told a Senate >>>>>> committee in response to one senator eager to set up a no-fly zone: >>>>>> "For us to control all the airspace in Syria would require us to go >>>>>> to war against Syria and Russia. That's a pretty fundamental decision >>>>>> that >>>>>> certainly I'm not going to make." >>>>>> >>>>>> Obviously setting up such a zone would do actually help ISIS, for the >>>>>> simple reason that ISIS has no air force. >>>>>> >>>>>> And as for the supposed barbarism of the joint Syrian/Russian attack >>>>>> on the rebels in Aleppo, is Pence so naive he doesn't realize that all >>>>>> urban warfare is barbaric? >>>>>> >>>>>> During the debate, Pence mentioned the U.S. attack on Fallujah in >>>>>> 2004. But he seemed to have no notion that that attack by the U.S. ended >>>>>> with a good part of the city in ruins. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's a good piece from Antiwar.com >>>>>> <https://www.antiwar.com/blog/2016/10/05/ny-times-attacks-gary-johnson-for-equating-us-syria-war-crimes/>in >>>>>> which Jason Ditz takes on the New York Times for attacking Libertarian >>>>>> Party candidate Gary Johnson for making that rather obvious comparison: >>>>>> "Pressed on the civilian death toll of Syrian airstrikes against >>>>>> populated areas, and whether he saw those as equivalent to US airstrikes >>>>>> against populated areas, Johnson mockingly declared '*no of course >>>>>> not – we're so much better than all that. We're so much better when in >>>>>> Afghanistan, we bomb the hospital and 60 people are killed in the >>>>>> hospital* >>>>>> .'" >>>>>> >>>>>> Ditz goes on to add: >>>>>> "Johnson is referring to last year's Kunduz airstrikes, in which a US >>>>>> warplane repeatedly and deliberately bombed a Doctors Without Borders >>>>>> (MSF) >>>>>> hospital near Kunduz, Afghanistan, in what officials later characterized >>>>>> as >>>>>> 'a mistake.' The Syrian government has recently been heavily criticized >>>>>> for >>>>>> airstrikes around Aleppo which hit hospitals." >>>>>> >>>>>> War is messy business. Only people like Pence and Kaine think it can >>>>>> be sanitized and made harmless. >>>>>> >>>>>> They agreed on that "safe zone" for Syria, but overlooked the fact >>>>>> that Secretary of State John Kerry said >>>>>> <https://theintercept.com/2016/10/05/did-tim-kaine-and-mike-pence-realize-that-safe-zones-in-syria-would-require-u-s-troops/>it >>>>>> would take 15,000 to 30,000 troops to maintain it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pence also seems totally unaware that in Afghanistan we are fighting >>>>>> the same enemy the Assad regime is fighting : Militant fundamentalist >>>>>> Muslims who want to rid the planet of secular governments. >>>>>> >>>>>> He also seems to be unaware of the obvious reason the Obama regime >>>>>> has been so slow in attacking ISIS. Numerous inside-the-Beltway >>>>>> neocon/internationalist types have said their first priority is getting >>>>>> rid >>>>>> of Assad. >>>>>> >>>>>> They see ISIS as a tool for overthrowing Assad - a tool too valuable >>>>>> to take out of the toolbox just yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Our Turkish and Saudi "allies" in the region are more concerned with >>>>>> getting rid of the secular Assad than the Sunni ISIS - which both have >>>>>> been >>>>>> accused of supplying. >>>>>> >>>>>> But for anyone truly opposed to ISIS, Assad would not be the enemy. >>>>>> He'd be our best ally. >>>>>> >>>>>> The Russians have that figured out. So has the Donald, who has stated >>>>>> he would ally with the Russians to defeat ISIS. >>>>>> >>>>>> So what was Pence up to? >>>>>> >>>>>> Maybe he's really dumb enough to believe what he was saying. >>>>>> >>>>>> A lot of people from the Midwest through no fault of their own grow >>>>>> up in isolated surroundings and only learn about the outside world after >>>>>> it's too late. >>>>>> >>>>>> There are some exceptions, but the typical Heartland politician seems >>>>>> to lack the sophistication to sort out a place like Syria, where there >>>>>> are >>>>>> numerous factions all at odds with each other. >>>>>> >>>>>> But I have a sneaking suspicion Pence may not be as dumb as he looks. >>>>>> >>>>>> Perhaps he's trying to ingratiate himself with the big donors in D.C. >>>>>> who support endless interventionism while pretending to be loyal to >>>>>> Trump. >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Christie tried a similar stunt during the Republican Convention >>>>>> last summer. When he was supposed to be presenting the case for Trump, >>>>>> Christie contradicted him on removing Assad in Syria. Christie was for >>>>>> it, >>>>>> Trump against it. >>>>>> >>>>>> He also contradicted the Donald on relations with Vladimir Putin. >>>>>> Trump of course has said he'd get along fine with Putin while Christie >>>>>> attacked the Russian with the usual internationalist/neocon rhetoric. >>>>>> >>>>>> None of this stuff seems to bother Trump. >>>>>> >>>>>> He just lets his underlings pander to the same crowd of Beltway >>>>>> insiders that so hates the Donald. >>>>>> >>>>>> But Pence is lucky the American voters care little about the Mideast >>>>>> and understand even less. >>>>>> >>>>>> Otherwise he'd have a lot of explaining to do. >>>>>> >>>>>> *BELOW: *Ron Paul discusses the way Pence agrees with Kaine on the >>>>>> nutty "neo" conservative/liberal internationalist foreign policy pushed >>>>>> by >>>>>> Hillary Clinton - and supported by Pence. >>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=74KU4JVnT9Q >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.nj.com/opinion/index.ssf/2016/10/mike_pence_is_de >>>>>> nse_on_defense_did_he_realize_he_w.html >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. >>>>>> For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum >>>>>> >>>>>> * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ >>>>>> * It's active and moderated. 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