“May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and security of self-government.” [emphasis added] Thomas Jefferson ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Are you a Zionist who spins or the other?
Socrates produced a definite psychic upheaval in his fellow- conversationalists by helping them to see that they not only did not know what they thought they knew, they also were ignorant of their own ignorance in this regard. A Perennialist sage met a ruler. The ruler said: "If you wish, you may ask a favor of me." The sage replied: "I cannot seek favors from a slave of my slaves." "How is that?" asked the ruler. The sage replied: "I have two slaves who are your masters: greed and self-love." To immature people, someone helping them to become aware of their own ignorance doesn't seem to be help, but ridicule. Such assistance in recognizing their incorrect appraisal of themselves and the world seems to them a repudiation of their very selves and consequently terrible and unjustified. Peace, Doc On Nov 13, 8:23 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nice try, try harder! > > On Nov 13, 8:14 pm, Doc Holliday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Impeach Bush To Stop > > Pardonshttp://www.democrats.com/pardon?cid=ZGVtczM2OTY0OWRlbXM= > > > 9214 of100000people have signed – see totals by state and > > Congressional District. > > President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney stand accused of > > 39 grave and impeachable offenses, including war crimes, torture, > > warrantless wiretapping, and outing a covert CIA operative. > > > Most of these offenses are felonies for which Bush and Cheney can be > > criminally prosecuted after they leave office. But prosecutions will > > be impossible if Bush issues blanket pre-emptive pardons for Dick > > Cheney, Scooter Libby, other senior officials, and even himself. > > > Can Bush do this? Absolutely. Gerald Ford set the precedent in 1974 > > when he gave Richard Nixon a blanket pre-emptive pardon for any crime > > he "may have committed." > > > Presidential pardon power is nearly unlimited under the Constitution. > > We support efforts in Congress to outlaw pre-emptive or self-pardons, > > but even if a bill passes Congress before Bush leave office, Bush will > > certainly veto it. So how can we stop Bush's pardons? > > > The Founding Fathers clearly anticipated a corrupt President might > > pardon his co-conspirators, and specified impeachment as the remedy. > > > George Mason, the father of the Bill of Rights, argued at the > > Constitutional Convention that the President might use his pardoning > > power to "pardon crimes which were advised by himself" or, before > > indictment or conviction, "to stop inquiry and prevent detection." > > > James Madison, the father of the U.S. Constitution, added that "if the > > President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and > > there be grounds to believe he will shelter [pardon] him, the House of > > Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty." > > > As your constituent, I urge you to impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney > > before they issue pardons. But if that fails, I urge you to impeach > > George Bush and Dick Cheney afterwards for issuing pardons that > > constitute obstruction of justice and abuse of power. > > > A post-inaugural impeachment would prohibit those impeached from ever > > holding federal office, either elected or appointed. Arguably, > > impeachment would also nullify pre-impeachment pardons and permit > > prosecutions. Finally, impeachment would tell future Presidents they > > cannot abuse their pardon power to put themselves above the law. > > > In 1776, Thomas Paine famously wrote, "in America, the law is King." > > Congress must not allow a President to commit crimes with impunity, or > > it makes the President a dictator - or a King. > > > Peace, > > Doc > > > On Nov 13, 7:58 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > Since Obama abdicated honesty by claiming to be the tax slasher and > > > defender of the universe apparently he, “and his ilk” are attempting > > > to double down; gut shoot the inside straight and blanket themselves > > > in constitutional credence. Honestly, this takes more cajones than an > > > elephant about to mount Rosie O’Donnell. Gee, even that picture makes > > > me somewhat ill. > > > > For those of us paying attention to the Obama instead of gushing > > > homage we’ve noticed a call from the chosen one and his supporters to > > > a return to the constitution and those founding principals abiding > > > within the text. To the huddled masses chanting, “yes we can” this > > > communal soliloquy might fly yet, for we in the top ten percent, > > > firing over 90% of neurons along our synapsetic highway this is the > > > epitome of lipstick on a pig. > > > > Conservatives read our constitution much as liberals read a wine list > > > with pinky finger outstretched. We know it, we get it and we are > > > consumed by it. We believe it to be sacrosanct and unassailable. To > > > we, the people, it is an inspired document of divine genesis. For > > > liberals it is merely two ply on a scroll. > > > > We have witnessed testimony, wherein posited profundities postulated > > > that his holiest Barack conjoined with the ACLU, will end the > > > transgression of Bush II and restore constitutionality to these amber > > > waves of grain upon which God shed his grace. Oh really? > > > > The ACLU was founded by a Communist, with communist ideals, communist > > > goals, and they continue to impose a Communist like agenda on America > > > daily. The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly… “My > > > chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and > > > violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which has > > > brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and > > > unemployment Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and > > > ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself, I seek the social > > > ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole > > > control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.” > > > This revelation on its face would be, “in all intellectual circles” > > > game, set and match. Yet, draw near and prepare to be dazzled with > > > this soon to be award winning composition, for in this endeavor, with > > > talent on loan from Rush, I draw inspiration from the almighty and > > > have only just begun. > > > Federal Judge Phyllis Hamilton, “a Clinton appointee” recently upheld > > > a ruling requiring seventh-grade students to pretend they're Muslims, > > > wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Quran, pray to Allah and > > > even to play "jihad games" in California public schools.(WND) > > > > The ACLU has refused to comment on the ruling except to say they find, > > > “nothing actionable” in the ruling. Translation: the ACLU doesn’t have > > > a problem with it. If California public schools were requiring > > > students to memorize Bible verses the ACLU would have lawyers kicking > > > down the school doors and would be all over local school boards like > > > Rosie O’Donnell on a baked ham. You just know they would. > > > > In 1989 the ACLU began a crusade to remove the Mount Soledad Cross > > > located in the center of a Korean War Memorial in San Diego, > > > California. The Cross was erected in 1954. While continuing a battle > > > to have the Cross removed they have defended Muslims who have > > > demanded, “Foot Basins” in airports, football stadiums and other > > > public places. Foot Basins are used by Muslims in preparation for > > > prayer. "Why are we constructing places of worship for them inside our > > > airports?" said an airport official who requested anonymity. "Why are > > > we catering to their rituals? We don't do it for any other > > > religion."(WND) As Christians, let’s ask airport officials for a > > > chapel and see how long it takes for the ACLU to come to our aid. > > > Waiting……….waiting…….. > > > > While absolutely berating pharmacists, who, “because of religious > > > convictions” have refused to sell “Levonelle”, commonly referred to as > > > the morning after pill. The ACLU defends Muslim taxi drivers who have > > > refused to carry passengers who have been drinking alcohol or possess > > > alcohol. The ACLU has even gone as far as to defend the rights of > > > Muslim taxi drivers to refuse to carry blind patrons who avail > > > themselves of a Seeing Eye dog. The Islamic religion considers dogs > > > unclean. If Timmy’s in the well does it matter if Lassie has had a > > > bath? In a related case, it wasn’t a surprise when the ACLU came to > > > the defense of Muslims employed at Target stores who refused to scan > > > pork products. Got Bacon? > > > > At this point I imagine liberal foreheads to be throbbing and I know > > > just how to push them over the edge. Abortion, utter the word and > > > liberals go running for a soapbox. In 1973 the United States Supreme > > > Court found a right to privacy in the constitution where one did not > > > exist. Since then over 40 million abortions have been performed. > > > Abortion angers conservatives on two fronts. We believe abortion to be > > > immoral and an adulteration of our constitution. > > > > The ACLU, “with a nod from the courts” has taken abortion out of the > > > public debate, “or so they thought” and relegated this most important > > > decision to nine justices and not to the people. Now, the ACLU is > > > going after the tax exempt status of churches who dare speak out > > > against abortion on moral grounds, calling such speech political. In > > > 1987, the ACLU Foundation and the New York Civil Liberties Union filed > > > an amicus brief in support of Abortion Rights Mobilization to secure > > > standing in a suit challenging the tax exempt status of the Catholic > > > Church. The Catholic Church was charged with violating its tax-exempt > > > status by taking a stand against abortion. This is important and > > > deserving of explanation. First the ACLU takes a pro-abortion stance > > > and asks for judicial relief insomuch as abortion is a legal question > > > to be removed from the political debate. After a Supreme Court > > > affirmation of this argument the ACLU reverses itself and makes the > > > wild claim that abortion is a political topic and those who would > > > engage in the abortion debate are involved in political speech. That > > > takes chutzpah folks. > > > The evidence is overwhelming and I could continue to list it for days. > > > The ACLU is anti-Christianity and anti-American. There can be no other > > > conclusion and those who would argue differently are either an order > > > of French fries short of a happy meal of need to have their > > > medications refilled. > > > > Now; as to liberals suddenly drawing a bright red line as to > > > constitutionality, this is just too damn easy, really it is. If you > > > are a liberal with asthma, get your inhaler. If you’re a leftist > > ... > > read more » --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
