I got sideswiped by Alcibiades and Pericles. On Nov 13, 9:08 pm, Doc Holliday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Are you sure? I still read him today. When does the fat lady sing? > > Peace, > Doc > > On Nov 13, 9:02 pm, rigsy03 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > But the State had the last word on Socrates, Doc. > > > On Nov 13, 8:33 pm, Doc Holliday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > “May it be to the world, what I believe it will be, (to some parts > > > sooner, to others later, but finally to all,) the signal of arousing > > > men to burst the chains under which monkish ignorance and superstition > > > had persuaded them to bind themselves, and to assume the blessings and > > > security of self-government.” [emphasis added] Thomas Jefferson > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Are you a Zionist who spins or the other? > > > > Socrates produced a definite psychic upheaval in his fellow- > > > conversationalists by helping them to see that they not only did not > > > know what they thought they knew, they also were ignorant of their own > > > ignorance in this regard. > > > > A Perennialist sage met a ruler. The ruler said: "If you wish, you may > > > ask a favor of me." The sage replied: "I cannot seek favors from a > > > slave of my slaves." "How is that?" asked the ruler. The sage replied: > > > "I have two slaves who are your masters: greed and self-love." > > > > To immature people, someone helping them to become aware of their own > > > ignorance doesn't seem to be help, but ridicule. Such assistance in > > > recognizing their incorrect appraisal of themselves and the world > > > seems to them a repudiation of their very selves and consequently > > > terrible and unjustified. > > > > Peace, > > > Doc > > > > On Nov 13, 8:23 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > wrote: > > > > > Nice try, try harder! > > > > > On Nov 13, 8:14 pm, Doc Holliday <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Impeach Bush To Stop > > > > > Pardonshttp://www.democrats.com/pardon?cid=ZGVtczM2OTY0OWRlbXM= > > > > > > 9214 of100000people have signed – see totals by state and > > > > > Congressional District. > > > > > President George Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney stand accused of > > > > > 39 grave and impeachable offenses, including war crimes, torture, > > > > > warrantless wiretapping, and outing a covert CIA operative. > > > > > > Most of these offenses are felonies for which Bush and Cheney can be > > > > > criminally prosecuted after they leave office. But prosecutions will > > > > > be impossible if Bush issues blanket pre-emptive pardons for Dick > > > > > Cheney, Scooter Libby, other senior officials, and even himself. > > > > > > Can Bush do this? Absolutely. Gerald Ford set the precedent in 1974 > > > > > when he gave Richard Nixon a blanket pre-emptive pardon for any crime > > > > > he "may have committed." > > > > > > Presidential pardon power is nearly unlimited under the Constitution. > > > > > We support efforts in Congress to outlaw pre-emptive or self-pardons, > > > > > but even if a bill passes Congress before Bush leave office, Bush will > > > > > certainly veto it. So how can we stop Bush's pardons? > > > > > > The Founding Fathers clearly anticipated a corrupt President might > > > > > pardon his co-conspirators, and specified impeachment as the remedy. > > > > > > George Mason, the father of the Bill of Rights, argued at the > > > > > Constitutional Convention that the President might use his pardoning > > > > > power to "pardon crimes which were advised by himself" or, before > > > > > indictment or conviction, "to stop inquiry and prevent detection." > > > > > > James Madison, the father of the U.S. Constitution, added that "if the > > > > > President be connected, in any suspicious manner, with any person, and > > > > > there be grounds to believe he will shelter [pardon] him, the House of > > > > > Representatives can impeach him; they can remove him if found guilty." > > > > > > As your constituent, I urge you to impeach George Bush and Dick Cheney > > > > > before they issue pardons. But if that fails, I urge you to impeach > > > > > George Bush and Dick Cheney afterwards for issuing pardons that > > > > > constitute obstruction of justice and abuse of power. > > > > > > A post-inaugural impeachment would prohibit those impeached from ever > > > > > holding federal office, either elected or appointed. Arguably, > > > > > impeachment would also nullify pre-impeachment pardons and permit > > > > > prosecutions. Finally, impeachment would tell future Presidents they > > > > > cannot abuse their pardon power to put themselves above the law. > > > > > > In 1776, Thomas Paine famously wrote, "in America, the law is King." > > > > > Congress must not allow a President to commit crimes with impunity, or > > > > > it makes the President a dictator - or a King. > > > > > > Peace, > > > > > Doc > > > > > > On Nov 13, 7:58 pm, Jim Willis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Since Obama abdicated honesty by claiming to be the tax slasher and > > > > > > defender of the universe apparently he, “and his ilk” are attempting > > > > > > to double down; gut shoot the inside straight and blanket themselves > > > > > > in constitutional credence. Honestly, this takes more cajones than > > > > > > an > > > > > > elephant about to mount Rosie O’Donnell. Gee, even that picture > > > > > > makes > > > > > > me somewhat ill. > > > > > > > For those of us paying attention to the Obama instead of gushing > > > > > > homage we’ve noticed a call from the chosen one and his supporters > > > > > > to > > > > > > a return to the constitution and those founding principals abiding > > > > > > within the text. To the huddled masses chanting, “yes we can” this > > > > > > communal soliloquy might fly yet, for we in the top ten percent, > > > > > > firing over 90% of neurons along our synapsetic highway this is the > > > > > > epitome of lipstick on a pig. > > > > > > > Conservatives read our constitution much as liberals read a wine > > > > > > list > > > > > > with pinky finger outstretched. We know it, we get it and we are > > > > > > consumed by it. We believe it to be sacrosanct and unassailable. To > > > > > > we, the people, it is an inspired document of divine genesis. For > > > > > > liberals it is merely two ply on a scroll. > > > > > > > We have witnessed testimony, wherein posited profundities postulated > > > > > > that his holiest Barack conjoined with the ACLU, will end the > > > > > > transgression of Bush II and restore constitutionality to these > > > > > > amber > > > > > > waves of grain upon which God shed his grace. Oh really? > > > > > > > The ACLU was founded by a Communist, with communist ideals, > > > > > > communist > > > > > > goals, and they continue to impose a Communist like agenda on > > > > > > America > > > > > > daily. The founder of the ACLU, Roger Baldwin stated clearly… “My > > > > > > chief aversion is the system of greed, private profit, privilege and > > > > > > violence which makes up the control of the world today, and which > > > > > > has > > > > > > brought it to the tragic crisis of unprecedented hunger and > > > > > > unemployment Therefore, I am for Socialism, disarmament and > > > > > > ultimately, for the abolishing of the State itself, I seek the > > > > > > social > > > > > > ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and > > > > > > sole > > > > > > control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.” > > > > > > This revelation on its face would be, “in all intellectual circles” > > > > > > game, set and match. Yet, draw near and prepare to be dazzled with > > > > > > this soon to be award winning composition, for in this endeavor, > > > > > > with > > > > > > talent on loan from Rush, I draw inspiration from the almighty and > > > > > > have only just begun. > > > > > > Federal Judge Phyllis Hamilton, “a Clinton appointee” recently > > > > > > upheld > > > > > > a ruling requiring seventh-grade students to pretend they're > > > > > > Muslims, > > > > > > wear Islamic garb, memorize verses from the Quran, pray to Allah and > > > > > > even to play "jihad games" in California public schools.(WND) > > > > > > > The ACLU has refused to comment on the ruling except to say they > > > > > > find, > > > > > > “nothing actionable” in the ruling. Translation: the ACLU doesn’t > > > > > > have > > > > > > a problem with it. If California public schools were requiring > > > > > > students to memorize Bible verses the ACLU would have lawyers > > > > > > kicking > > > > > > down the school doors and would be all over local school boards like > > > > > > Rosie O’Donnell on a baked ham. You just know they would. > > > > > > > In 1989 the ACLU began a crusade to remove the Mount Soledad Cross > > > > > > located in the center of a Korean War Memorial in San Diego, > > > > > > California. The Cross was erected in 1954. While continuing a battle > > > > > > to have the Cross removed they have defended Muslims who have > > > > > > demanded, “Foot Basins” in airports, football stadiums and other > > > > > > public places. Foot Basins are used by Muslims in preparation for > > > > > > prayer. "Why are we constructing places of worship for them inside > > > > > > our > > > > > > airports?" said an airport official who requested anonymity. "Why > > > > > > are > > > > > > we catering to their rituals? We don't do it for any other > > > > > > religion."(WND) As Christians, let’s ask airport officials for a > > > > > > chapel and see how long it takes for the ACLU to come to our aid. > > > > > > Waiting……….waiting…….. > > > > > > > While absolutely berating pharmacists, who, “because of religious > > > > > > convictions” have refused to sell “Levonelle”, commonly referred to > > > > > > as > > > > > > the morning after pill. The ACLU defends Muslim taxi drivers who > > > > > > have > > > > > > refused to carry passengers who have been drinking alcohol or > > > > > > possess > > > > > > alcohol. The ACLU has even gone as far as to defend the rights of > > > > > > Muslim taxi drivers to refuse to carry blind patrons who avail > > > > > > themselves of a Seeing Eye dog. The Islamic > > ... > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. 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