Interesting that first you state "Obama has organized communities, not too much more." Then you go on to completely contradict yourself and point out all the things he has done since then. Can't have it both ways. :-)
On Dec 10, 12:07 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uh, wrong. I could get a picture of John Wayne and slap "community > organizer" on it. > > But why don't we see how Obama himself felt about the title, eh? > > "TNR's John Judis tracked down Jerry Kellman, who in 1985 "hired Obama > to organize residents of Chicago's South Side." Kellman describes a > conversation the two "community organizers" had at a conference on > "social justice" in October 1987: > > "[Obama] wanted to marry and have children, and to have a stable > income," Kellman recalls. > But Obama was also worried about something else. He told Kellman that > he feared community organizing would never allow him "to make major > changes in poverty or discrimination." To do that, he said, "you > either had to be an elected official or be influential with elected > officials." In other words, Obama believed that his chosen profession > was getting him nowhere, or at least not far enough. . . . > > And so, Obama told Kellman, he had decided to leave community > organizing and go to law school. > > Another way of putting this might be that Obama left community > organizing because he wanted a job in which he had actual > responsibilities (and, of course, earned more money). > > But Obama did not decide only that "community organizing" was not for > him. Judis reports the future senator took part in a September 1989 > symposium in which he "rejected the guiding principles of community > organizing: the elevation of self-interest over moral vision; the > disdain for charismatic leaders and their movements; and the suspicion > of politics itself." Later, Obama "would begin to construct a > political identity for himself that was not simply different from his > identity as a community organizer--but was, in fact, its very > opposite." > > http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB122075869303807633.html > > Are we square? > > On Dec 10, 10:35 am, wncs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >http://punditkitchen.com/?s=community+organizer > > > On Dec 10, 11:32 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No need to apologize; I commented on his (one major) appointment. > > > > My point overall is sure, his approval rating is up. It should be. > > > Right now all we have are his fluffy, puffy, broad ideas and goals. > > > The press loves him, Letterman has probably put in his will that his > > > son will be raised by Obama when he dies. He's a political version of > > > Kurt Warner, the only diff being Kurt has done the work. Obama has > > > organized communities, not too much more. > > > > On Dec 10, 10:16 am, wncs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Obviously the question refers to his cabinet appointments so far. > > > > Sorry I didn't define "transition" adequately for your understanding. > > > > > On Dec 10, 10:16 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > Eh? > > > > > > What transistion? I thought he took over in Jan? He's made a few BS > > > > > speeches, made a partial downpayment on his IOUs to Hill (to be paid > > > > > in full with Bill as a member of the USSC), not much more. > > > > > > I guess you meant his genius proclamation that things will "get worse > > > > > before they get better". I give him a B for accuracy but a D for > > > > > articulation. > > > > > > Does that help? > > > > > > On Dec 10, 6:54 am, wncs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Back to the original question, who here disapproves of Obama's > > > > > > handling of the transition so far, and why? > > > > > > > On Dec 9, 8:30 am, wncs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > WOW! So who is in the other 21% and what are your specific > > > > > > > reasons for > > > > > > > not approving? > > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > > > Poll: 79% approve of way Obama is handling transition > > > > > > > Story Highlights > > > > > > > CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey finds only 18 percent > > > > > > > disapprove > > > > > > > > Obama's numbers eclipse those of George W. Bush and Bill Clinton > > > > > > > in > > > > > > > same period > > > > > > > > CNN's Schneider: Type of figure seen when nation rallies for > > > > > > > leader > > > > > > > after disaster > > > > > > > > Michelle Obama and Joe Biden also garner favorable opinions in > > > > > > > poll > > > > > > > > From Paul Steinhauser > > > > > > > CNN > > > > > > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- -- With six weeks before taking office, > > > > > > > President- > > > > > > > elect Barack Obama is having one heck of a honeymoon, a new > > > > > > > national > > > > > > > poll suggests. > > > > > > > > Nearly eight in 10 Americans questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research > > > > > > > Corporation survey out Tuesday morning are giving the > > > > > > > president-elect > > > > > > > the thumbs up when it comes to his handling of the transition. > > > > > > > > Seventy-nine percent approve of Obama's performance so far during > > > > > > > transition, with 18 percent disapproving. > > > > > > > > Obama's approval rating is 14 points higher than the approval > > > > > > > rating > > > > > > > for President-elect George Bush in 2001 and 17 points higher than > > > > > > > President-elect Clinton's rating in 1992, CNN Polling Director > > > > > > > Keating > > > > > > > Holland said. > > > > > > > > Obama's current approval rating is also more than 50 points higher > > > > > > > than President Bush's current approval rating, which now stands > > > > > > > at 28 > > > > > > > percent --- with 71 percent disapproving of the way Bush is > > > > > > > handling > > > > > > > his job as president. > > > > > > > > "An Obama job approval rating of 79 percent -- that's the sort of > > > > > > > rating you see when the public rallies around a leader after a > > > > > > > national disaster," said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior political > > > > > > > analyst. "To many Americans, the Bush administration was a > > > > > > > national > > > > > > > disaster." > > > > > > > > The poll indicates that 79 percent of the public thinks Obama > > > > > > > will do > > > > > > > a good job as president -- up 4 percentage points from last month. > > > > > > > Eighteen percent think Obama will do a poor job as president, > > > > > > > down 3 > > > > > > > points from November. > > > > > > > > And 78 percent of those questioned said they believe Obama will > > > > > > > be a > > > > > > > uniter -- 20 points higher than those who felt the same way about > > > > > > > then > > > > > > > President-elect Bush in 2000. Twenty percent say Obama will be a > > > > > > > divider, 16 points lower than those who said the same about Bush. > > > > > > > > "Bush came in promising to be a uniter, not a divider. That's a > > > > > > > promise Bush failed to deliver -- as he himself acknowledged last > > > > > > > week > > > > > > > in an interview with ABC News when he said that one of his big > > > > > > > disappointments is that the tone in Washington got worse rather > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > better," Schneider said. > > > > > > > > "Nearly 80 percent describe Obama as a uniter. So far, so good." > > > > > > > > Seventy-six percent of those polled have a favorable opinion of > > > > > > > Obama. > > > > > > > "And the president-elect is not the only one who is popular right > > > > > > > now. > > > > > > > Sixty-seven percent have a favorable view of Michelle Obama and 56 > > > > > > > percent have a positive view of Vice President-elect Joe Biden," > > > > > > > added > > > > > > > Holland. > > > > > > > > The Democratic party continues to be much more popular than the > > > > > > > GOP. > > > > > > > Six in 10 have a favorable view of the Democratic Party, while a > > > > > > > majority have an unfavorable opinion of the Republican party. > > > > > > > > The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted December > > > > > > > 1-2, > > > > > > > with 1,096 adult Americans interviewed by telephone. The survey's > > > > > > > sampling error is 3 percentage points. > > > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/09/Obama.poll/index.html?eref=rss... > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
