Hmmm. Law school, elected official... I guess all that is the same as flipping burgers to you, right?
On Dec 10, 12:13 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Eh? Did you read the blurb? He rejected the whole "community > orgranizer" gig as being impotent, but no where does it detail any > real accomplish afterwards. > > Now are we square? > > On Dec 10, 11:10 am, wncs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Interesting that first you state "Obama has > > organized communities, not too much more." > > Then you go on to completely contradict yourself and point out all the > > things he has done since then. > > Can't have it both ways. :-) > > > On Dec 10, 12:07 pm, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Uh, wrong. I could get a picture of John Wayne and slap "community > > > organizer" on it. > > > > But why don't we see how Obama himself felt about the title, eh? > > > > "TNR's John Judis tracked down Jerry Kellman, who in 1985 "hired Obama > > > to organize residents of Chicago's South Side." Kellman describes a > > > conversation the two "community organizers" had at a conference on > > > "social justice" in October 1987: > > > > "[Obama] wanted to marry and have children, and to have a stable > > > income," Kellman recalls. > > > But Obama was also worried about something else. He told Kellman that > > > he feared community organizing would never allow him "to make major > > > changes in poverty or discrimination." To do that, he said, "you > > > either had to be an elected official or be influential with elected > > > officials." In other words, Obama believed that his chosen profession > > > was getting him nowhere, or at least not far enough. . . . > > > > And so, Obama told Kellman, he had decided to leave community > > > organizing and go to law school. > > > > Another way of putting this might be that Obama left community > > > organizing because he wanted a job in which he had actual > > > responsibilities (and, of course, earned more money). > > > > But Obama did not decide only that "community organizing" was not for > > > him. Judis reports the future senator took part in a September 1989 > > > symposium in which he "rejected the guiding principles of community > > > organizing: the elevation of self-interest over moral vision; the > > > disdain for charismatic leaders and their movements; and the suspicion > > > of politics itself." Later, Obama "would begin to construct a > > > political identity for himself that was not simply different from his > > > identity as a community organizer--but was, in fact, its very > > > opposite." > > > >http://online.wsj.com/public/article_print/SB122075869303807633.html > > > > Are we square? > > > > On Dec 10, 10:35 am, wncs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > >http://punditkitchen.com/?s=community+organizer > > > > > On Dec 10, 11:32 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > No need to apologize; I commented on his (one major) appointment. > > > > > > My point overall is sure, his approval rating is up. It should be. > > > > > Right now all we have are his fluffy, puffy, broad ideas and goals. > > > > > The press loves him, Letterman has probably put in his will that his > > > > > son will be raised by Obama when he dies. He's a political version of > > > > > Kurt Warner, the only diff being Kurt has done the work. Obama has > > > > > organized communities, not too much more. > > > > > > On Dec 10, 10:16 am, wncs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > Obviously the question refers to his cabinet appointments so far. > > > > > > Sorry I didn't define "transition" adequately for your > > > > > > understanding. > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 10:16 am, Kamakazee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Eh? > > > > > > > > What transistion? I thought he took over in Jan? He's made a > > > > > > > few BS > > > > > > > speeches, made a partial downpayment on his IOUs to Hill (to be > > > > > > > paid > > > > > > > in full with Bill as a member of the USSC), not much more. > > > > > > > > I guess you meant his genius proclamation that things will "get > > > > > > > worse > > > > > > > before they get better". I give him a B for accuracy but a D for > > > > > > > articulation. > > > > > > > > Does that help? > > > > > > > > On Dec 10, 6:54 am, wncs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Back to the original question, who here disapproves of Obama's > > > > > > > > handling of the transition so far, and why? > > > > > > > > > On Dec 9, 8:30 am, wncs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > WOW! So who is in the other 21% and what are your specific > > > > > > > > > reasons for > > > > > > > > > not approving? > > > > > > > > > ************ > > > > > > > > > > Poll: 79% approve of way Obama is handling transition > > > > > > > > > Story Highlights > > > > > > > > > CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey finds only 18 percent > > > > > > > > > disapprove > > > > > > > > > > Obama's numbers eclipse those of George W. Bush and Bill > > > > > > > > > Clinton in > > > > > > > > > same period > > > > > > > > > > CNN's Schneider: Type of figure seen when nation rallies for > > > > > > > > > leader > > > > > > > > > after disaster > > > > > > > > > > Michelle Obama and Joe Biden also garner favorable opinions > > > > > > > > > in poll > > > > > > > > > > From Paul Steinhauser > > > > > > > > > CNN > > > > > > > > > WASHINGTON (CNN) -- -- With six weeks before taking office, > > > > > > > > > President- > > > > > > > > > elect Barack Obama is having one heck of a honeymoon, a new > > > > > > > > > national > > > > > > > > > poll suggests. > > > > > > > > > > Nearly eight in 10 Americans questioned in a CNN/Opinion > > > > > > > > > Research > > > > > > > > > Corporation survey out Tuesday morning are giving the > > > > > > > > > president-elect > > > > > > > > > the thumbs up when it comes to his handling of the transition. > > > > > > > > > > Seventy-nine percent approve of Obama's performance so far > > > > > > > > > during > > > > > > > > > transition, with 18 percent disapproving. > > > > > > > > > > Obama's approval rating is 14 points higher than the approval > > > > > > > > > rating > > > > > > > > > for President-elect George Bush in 2001 and 17 points higher > > > > > > > > > than > > > > > > > > > President-elect Clinton's rating in 1992, CNN Polling > > > > > > > > > Director Keating > > > > > > > > > Holland said. > > > > > > > > > > Obama's current approval rating is also more than 50 points > > > > > > > > > higher > > > > > > > > > than President Bush's current approval rating, which now > > > > > > > > > stands at 28 > > > > > > > > > percent --- with 71 percent disapproving of the way Bush is > > > > > > > > > handling > > > > > > > > > his job as president. > > > > > > > > > > "An Obama job approval rating of 79 percent -- that's the > > > > > > > > > sort of > > > > > > > > > rating you see when the public rallies around a leader after a > > > > > > > > > national disaster," said Bill Schneider, CNN's senior > > > > > > > > > political > > > > > > > > > analyst. "To many Americans, the Bush administration was a > > > > > > > > > national > > > > > > > > > disaster." > > > > > > > > > > The poll indicates that 79 percent of the public thinks Obama > > > > > > > > > will do > > > > > > > > > a good job as president -- up 4 percentage points from last > > > > > > > > > month. > > > > > > > > > Eighteen percent think Obama will do a poor job as president, > > > > > > > > > down 3 > > > > > > > > > points from November. > > > > > > > > > > And 78 percent of those questioned said they believe Obama > > > > > > > > > will be a > > > > > > > > > uniter -- 20 points higher than those who felt the same way > > > > > > > > > about then > > > > > > > > > President-elect Bush in 2000. Twenty percent say Obama will > > > > > > > > > be a > > > > > > > > > divider, 16 points lower than those who said the same about > > > > > > > > > Bush. > > > > > > > > > > "Bush came in promising to be a uniter, not a divider. That's > > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > > promise Bush failed to deliver -- as he himself acknowledged > > > > > > > > > last week > > > > > > > > > in an interview with ABC News when he said that one of his big > > > > > > > > > disappointments is that the tone in Washington got worse > > > > > > > > > rather than > > > > > > > > > better," Schneider said. > > > > > > > > > > "Nearly 80 percent describe Obama as a uniter. So far, so > > > > > > > > > good." > > > > > > > > > > Seventy-six percent of those polled have a favorable opinion > > > > > > > > > of Obama. > > > > > > > > > "And the president-elect is not the only one who is popular > > > > > > > > > right now. > > > > > > > > > Sixty-seven percent have a favorable view of Michelle Obama > > > > > > > > > and 56 > > > > > > > > > percent have a positive view of Vice President-elect Joe > > > > > > > > > Biden," added > > > > > > > > > Holland. > > > > > > > > > > The Democratic party continues to be much more popular than > > > > > > > > > the GOP. > > > > > > > > > Six in 10 have a favorable view of the Democratic Party, > > > > > > > > > while a > > > > > > > > > majority have an unfavorable opinion of the Republican party. > > > > > > > > > > The CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll was conducted > > > > > > > > > December 1-2, > > > > > > > > > with 1,096 adult Americans interviewed by telephone. The > > > > > > > > > survey's > > > > > > > > > sampling error is 3 percentage points. > > > > > > > > > >http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/12/09/Obama.poll/index.html?eref=rss... > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
