H, You know where i stand on virginity.... I'm DEFINITELY against it and have started my own movement to "snake" it out. Virgins are vile creatures that need the cure.
As far as Lews position on Nationalizing Christianity... the Constitution has NOTHING to do with it... Bush is still President and he IS the "DECIDER". On Jan 1, 8:59 am, Hollywood <[email protected]> wrote: > lew, > > That would be unconstituional you old fool. > > On Jan 1, 8:57 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Mikey: > > > It looks like the key difference in the article between participating > > sex at an older or younger age is religion. > > > As the U.S. is predomintaley a "Christian" country. > > > Perhaps we should make Christianity our national religion to cut down > > on teen-age pregnancy. > > > On Jan 1, 9:03 am, "mike [never forget] 532" <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > > your welcome lew ! > > > > On Jan 1, 8:30 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Thank you for your thoughts about Laura Bush. > > > > > It reveals all there is to know about you. > > > > > Thanks. > > > > > On Jan 1, 8:01 am, "mike [never forget] 532" <[email protected]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > laura bush has no virtues other she killed her own enemies rather than > > > > > get the military to do it liker husband did . > > > > > now do you want to talk about how your very own study shows virginity > > > > > pledges don't work ? > > > > > On Jan 1, 7:47 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > Mikey picks teenage sex as his first article to respond to rather > > > > > > than > > > > > > the virtues of Laura Bush. > > > > > > > Wonder why? > > > > > > > On Jan 1, 7:25 am, "mike [never forget] 532" > > > > > > <[email protected]> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Rosenbaum believes her study shows that “abstinence > > > > > > > promotion programs” are not a wise policy for the government to > > > > > > > advance. “Adolescents who take virginity pledges are not less > > > > > > > sexually active than closely matched adolescents who do not take > > > > > > > pledges, but they are less likely to use birth control or > > > > > > > condoms,” > > > > > > > she said. “Clinicians should provide birth control information to > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > adolescents, especially abstinence-only sex education > > > > > > > participants.” > > > > > > > > On Jan 1, 7:13 am, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > cnsnews.com > > > > > > > > Wednesday, December 31, 2008 > > > > > > > > By Penny Starr, Senior Staff Writer > > > > > > > > > (CNSNews.com) - A study in the January issue of Pediatrics that > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > critical of virginity pledges nonetheless reveals that teens > > > > > > > > who are > > > > > > > > more religious have their first sexual encounter at the average > > > > > > > > age of > > > > > > > > 21, or four years later than teens who are not as religious. > > > > > > > > > The study, using data from the national Adolescent Health > > > > > > > > Survey, > > > > > > > > examines 934 teens with strong religious backgrounds, 289 of > > > > > > > > whom took > > > > > > > > abstinence pledges and 645 who did not. > > > > > > > > > The author of the study, Janice Rosenbaum, a post doctoral > > > > > > > > fellow at > > > > > > > > Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, told > > > > > > > > CNSNews.com that > > > > > > > > her analysis shows that among her sample of 934 teens with > > > > > > > > strong > > > > > > > > religious backgrounds, both the pledgers and non-pledgers became > > > > > > > > sexually active at about 21 on average. That is four years > > > > > > > > later than > > > > > > > > teens who are not as religious. She said religious beliefs > > > > > > > > play a > > > > > > > > role in teens abstaining from sex. > > > > > > > > > “One year before pledging, pledgers are more religious, less > > > > > > > > sexually > > > > > > > > experienced, and hold more negative attitudes about sex and > > > > > > > > birth > > > > > > > > control than adolescents who do not go on to take a virginity > > > > > > > > pledge,” > > > > > > > > Rosenbaum writes in Pediatrics. “Religious adolescents delay > > > > > > > > sexual > > > > > > > > initiation, so virginity pledgers’ prepledge religiosity could > > > > > > > > induce > > > > > > > > abstinence without the pledge.” > > > > > > > > > “It is true that this profile of teenagers, these 934 teenagers > > > > > > > > that I > > > > > > > > look at are more conservative in their sexual behavior,” > > > > > > > > Rosenbaum > > > > > > > > said. > > > > > > > > > Religious teens “are more restrained in the sexual choices and > > > > > > > > that’s > > > > > > > > because of their social context,” said Rosenbaum. “They are less > > > > > > > > sexually experienced to begin with. Their friends are engaging > > > > > > > > in less > > > > > > > > risk behavior. Their parents also go to church and they are also > > > > > > > > choosing to go to church and to stay affiliated with evangelical > > > > > > > > Christianity.” > > > > > > > > > Nonetheless, Rosenbaum believes her study shows that “abstinence > > > > > > > > promotion programs” are not a wise policy for the government to > > > > > > > > advance. “Adolescents who take virginity pledges are not less > > > > > > > > sexually active than closely matched adolescents who do not take > > > > > > > > pledges, but they are less likely to use birth control or > > > > > > > > condoms,” > > > > > > > > she said. “Clinicians should provide birth control information > > > > > > > > to all > > > > > > > > adolescents, especially abstinence-only sex education > > > > > > > > participants.” > > > > > > > > > Robert Rector, senior research fellow on domestic policy at the > > > > > > > > Heritage Foundation, told CNSNews.com that he has conducted > > > > > > > > several > > > > > > > > studies based on the same adolescent health survey data used in > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > Pediatrics study and come to much different conclusions. > > > > > > > > > “It was really quite extraordinary that you find in this survey > > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > > kids who took this very brief exposure to virginity pledges have > > > > > > > > dramatically better life outcomes compared to kids from the > > > > > > > > same socio- > > > > > > > > economic background,” said Rector. This included “dramatically > > > > > > > > lower > > > > > > > > rates of teen births, abortion rates down, teen sex down, out of > > > > > > > > wedlock births down, number of sexual partners down a third to > > > > > > > > a half > > > > > > > > compared to kids from a similar socio-economic backgrounds. > > > > > > > > That’s > > > > > > > > extraordinary.” > > > > > > > > > Rector argues that most abstinence education programs don’t > > > > > > > > include a > > > > > > > > pledge and that what the data shows is that teens who delay sex > > > > > > > > because of their training and beliefs are at a distinct > > > > > > > > advantage. > > > > > > > > > “It’s not an abstinence versus non-abstinence message at all,” > > > > > > > > Rector > > > > > > > > told CNSNews.com. “It’s very clear that these kids that have > > > > > > > > what I > > > > > > > > call pro-abstinence, anti-permissive sex attitudes do > > > > > > > > substantially > > > > > > > > better in life. They are much more likely to abstain from sex > > > > > > > > through > > > > > > > > high school and teens who have abstained from sex through high > > > > > > > > school > > > > > > > > are twice as likely to graduate from college.” > > > > > > > > > But some advocates for so-called comprehensive sex education > > > > > > > > say that > > > > > > > > participants in abstinence only programs who have sex usually > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > unprotected sex because of negative information about > > > > > > > > contraceptives. > > > > > > > > > “When (virginity) pledgers fell of the wagon, they fell of > > > > > > > > hard,” Bill > > > > > > > > Albert, chief program director for The National Campaign to > > > > > > > > Prevent > > > > > > > > Teen and Unplanned Pregnancy, said in a U.S. News and World > > > > > > > > Report > > > > > > > > story. “What have we gained if we encourage young people only > > > > > > > > to delay > > > > > > > > sex until they are older, but when they do become sexually > > > > > > > > active, > > > > > > > > they don’t protect themselves or their partners?” > > > > > > > > > “The idea that it has to be either a virginity pledge or > > > > > > > > encouraging > > > > > > > > teens to have sex is a false dichotomy,” Albert said. “There is > > > > > > > > a > > > > > > > > public consensus in this country to encourage teens to delay > > > > > > > > sex, but > > > > > > > > also to provide them with contraception.” > > > > > > > > > Rector said his studies support the importance of continuing > > > > > > > > federal > > > > > > > > funding of abstinence education and that Rosenbaum’s study does > > > > > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > “What she’s really lobbying for is clearly an elimination of > > > > > > > > abstinence teaching,” Rector said. “And so she’s saying, when > > > > > > > > you look > > > > > > > > at these kids that have pro-abstinence attitudes, those > > > > > > > > pro-abstinence > > > > > > > > attitudes provide dramatically positive results but they are not > > > > > > > > linked to the virginity pledge per se, therefore we should do > > > > > > > > away > > > > > > > > with those pro-abstinence attitudes.” > > > > > > > > > “Somehow these kids sort of miraculously absorb those messages > > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > values, so we should stop teaching those messages and values,” > > > > > > > > Rector > > > > > > > > said, “even though her data shows that all those kids that have > > > > > > > > those > > > > > > > > pro-abstinence attitudes do much better in life.” > > > > > > > > > Rosenbaum said she thinks encouraging teens to delay sexual > > > > > > > > activity > > > > > > > > is a good public health policy, but that her work shows > > > > > > > > virginity > > > > > > > > pledges aren’t the way to reach that goal. > > > > > > > > > “This group, whether or not they are pledgers, are starting to > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > sex at around 21, which is about four years later than the > > > > > > > > average > > > > > > > > American teen,” Rosenbaum told CNSNews.com. “Definitely, > > > > > > > > though, the > > > > > > > > social context created by the evangelical context and social > > > > > > > > groups > > > > > > > > does seem to cause kids to delay sex. 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