Do any od those bastards ever read anything they are voting on? See my video post.
On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 9:48 AM, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > > It had only three _no_ votes. I agree they obviously did not read it. > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:44 AM, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > > I doubt the congress knew (as usual) just what they were voting for with > > this. > > > > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:37 AM, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> I don't think the Obama sentence is actually part of the text, but it > >> is carefully planted in there and is rather suggestive, imo. > >> > >> On Jan 9, 9:33 am, Mark <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > I stand corrected. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Fri, Jan 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, wncs <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > > >> > > No, I didn't bring him into this. Embedded within the initial post > is > >> > > this: "*Will Obama bring the end of prosperity?" > >> > > That's why I mentioned that Obama did not sign this into law. I do > not > >> > > know how he voted on it. > >> > > >> > > On Jan 9, 9:20 am, THE ANNOINTED ONE <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> But approved by a democratic senate, to which he still belongs. He > >> > >> did > >> > >> not sign the bill into law but how did he vote as a Senator?? > >> > > >> > >> You brought him into this wncs. It is yet another example of > >> > >> reactionary legislation that has run rampant in the last decade. > >> > > >> > >> On Jan 9, 7:31 am, wncs <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > Please note that this law was signed BEFORE Obama takes office. > >> > > >> > >> > On Jan 9, 8:20 am, Travis <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > > >> > >> > > From: Travis > >> > >> > > Subject: Is Feb. 10 financial doomsday for thousands? > >> > >> > > Date: Thursday, January 8, 2009, > >> > > >> > >> > > > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85542 > >> > > >> > >> > > *YOUR GOVERNMENT AT WORK > >> > >> > > *Is Feb. 10 financial doomsday for thousands? > >> > >> > > New law could force companies into ruin > >> > >> > > ------------------------------ > >> > >> > > Posted: January 08, 2009 > >> > >> > > 12:13 am Eastern > >> > > >> > >> > > By Chelsea Schilling > >> > >> > > (c) 2009 WorldNetDaily > >> > > >> > >> > > Jacobsen Books in Clinton, Wis. A new government regulation > >> > >> > > scheduled to > >> > >> > > take effect next month has thousands of retailers, thrift > stores > >> > >> > > and small > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > businesses< > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85542#>worried > >> > >> > > they will be forced to permanently close their doors – and > >> > >> > > destroy > >> > >> > > their merchandise. > >> > >> > > The law is expected to have such a devastating impact that Feb. > >> > >> > > 10 is now > >> > >> > > unofficially known as "National Bankruptcy > >> > >> > > Day<http://nationalbankruptcyday.com/>." > >> > > >> > >> > > Congress passed the Consumer Product Safety Improvement Act of > >> > >> > > 2008<http://www.cpsc.gov/cpsia.pdf>, > >> > >> > > or HR 4040, a retroactive rule mandating that all items sold > for > >> > >> > > use by > >> > >> > > children under 12 must be tested by an independent party for > lead > >> > >> > > and > >> > >> > > phthalates, which are chemicals used to make plastics more > >> > >> > > pliable. > >> > >> > > All untested items, regardless of lead content, are to be > >> > >> > > declared "banned > >> > >> > > hazardous products.'' The CPSC has already determined the law > >> > >> > > applies to > >> > >> > > every children's item on shelves, not just to items made > >> > >> > > beginning Feb. 10. > >> > >> > > The regulations could force thousands of businesses – > especially > >> > >> > > smaller > >> > >> > > ones that cannot afford the cost of lead testing – to throw > away > >> > >> > > truckloads > >> > >> > > of children's clothing, books, toys, furniture and other > >> > >> > > children's items > >> > >> > > and even force them to close their doors. > >> > >> > > *Will Obama bring the end of prosperity? Get the book that > shows > >> > >> > > how higher > >> > >> > > taxes will doom the economy – if we let it > >> > >> > > happen.*<http://shop.wnd.com/store/item.asp?ITEM_ID=2511> > >> > >> > > *Children's books* > >> > >> > > Valerie Jacobsen and her husband, Paul, support their family of > >> > >> > > 13 by > >> > >> > > selling literature at Jacobsen Books in Clinton, Wis. Her > family > >> > >> > > has > >> > >> > > contracts with local libraries to buy and sell overstocked > books > >> > >> > > – an > >> > >> > > arrangement that draws income for both parties. > >> > >> > > However, Jacobsen told WND that lead testing is estimated to > cost > >> > >> > > $100 to > >> > >> > > $400 for each of her used children's books because she does not > >> > >> > > buy in bulk, > >> > >> > > and each batch of merchandise is required to be tested. > >> > >> > > "There's a big difference between me and Wal-Mart or Toys 'R' > >> > >> > > Us," she said. > >> > >> > > "They'll have a batch of 50,000. Everything I have is a batch > of > >> > >> > > one because > >> > >> > > I don't know its history. I'm looking at a testing cost of > about > >> > >> > > $1.2 > >> > >> > > million. I would normally sell my full inventory of all > >> > >> > > children's products > >> > >> > > for probably $15,000. So, it's effectively a ban." > >> > > >> > >> > > Valerie Jacobsen > >> > >> > > The Consumer Product Safety Commission states that lead testing > >> > >> > > requirements > >> > >> > > apply to children's books, cassettes and CDs, printed game > >> > >> > > boards, posters > >> > >> > > and other printed goods used for children's education. While it > >> > >> > > does claim > >> > >> > > some printing inks will be exempt, paper, cardboard, bindings, > >> > >> > > glues, > >> > >> > > laminates and other inks are still subject to regulation and > >> > >> > > require > >> > >> > > testing. > >> > >> > > Jacobsen said that unless the new law is repealed or > >> > >> > > substantially modified, > >> > >> > > it could devastate her family business. > >> > >> > > "I don't want to stop selling children's books on Feb. 9," she > >> > >> > > said. "I need > >> > >> > > that income. We provide a lot of reading for a lot of little > >> > >> > > kids. I went > >> > >> > > into this business because I thought that books were good for > >> > >> > > children's > >> > >> > > mental development. That opinion hasn't changed. And the > >> > >> > > government's ruling > >> > >> > > is essentially saying they're hazardous for children's mental > >> > >> > > development > >> > >> > > because they might contain lead. We just have no evidence that > >> > >> > > they do." > >> > >> > > *Children's second-hand clothing* > >> > >> > > Jacobsen said she often shops at second-hand stores for her 11 > >> > >> > > children > >> > >> > > because she can buy quality clothing at low prices. > >> > >> > > "Over the years I have always tried to make the most of our > >> > >> > > money, so we'll > >> > >> > > go to Goodwill," she said. "To be honest, I'd rather go to > >> > >> > > Goodwill and get > >> > >> > > a brand-name item that's hardly been worn and pay $3.99 for it > >> > >> > > than to go to > >> > >> > > Wal-Mart and pay $13.99 for something that in six weeks from > now > >> > >> > > is not > >> > >> > > going to worth anything." > >> > >> > > But now some thrift and consignment stores are in a panic over > >> > >> > > the new > >> > >> > > regulation because it extends to children's clothing, shoes and > >> > >> > > other items > >> > >> > > as well. > >> > >> > > Cindy Retmier owns a consignment store called Jordan's Closet > in > >> > >> > > El Dorado > >> > >> > > Hills, Calif. She told KXTV News 10 that the law could close > her > >> > >> > > business. > >> > >> > > "[W]e've been passing kids clothing down for centuries," she > >> > >> > > said. "Now all > >> > >> > > of sudden you can't do it because there might be too much lead > in > >> > >> > > one item > >> > >> > > out of a thousand? I mean it's ridiculous they've taken it to > the > >> > >> > > extent > >> > >> > > they've taken it right now." > >> > > >> > >> > > Goodwill > >> > >> > > She estimates testing for each of her clothing articles to run > >> > >> > > between $300 > >> > >> > > and $1,500. The Consumer Product Safety Commission said it may > >> > >> > > consider > >> > >> > > exempting clothing and toys made from natural materials such as > >> > >> > > wool or > >> > >> > > wood, but paint and dyes on the products are still required to > be > >> > >> > > tested. > >> > >> > > "We only sell stuff for an average of $10 so, of course that > >> > >> > > doesn't make > >> > >> > > sense," Ritmier said. > >> > >> > > Even Goodwill Industries told the station it may be forced to > >> > >> > > stop selling > >> > >> > > clothing and other children's items if testing is too > expensive. > >> > >> > > The move > >> > >> > > could affect consumers who donate items for tax write-offs if > the > >> > >> > > stores are > >> > >> > > not able to sell them. > >> > >> > > "A huge hit for us and a huge hit for consumers that are trying > >> > >> > > to save a > >> > >> > > dollar in this economy," Goodwill's Mark Klingler told KXTV. > >> > >> > > "We'll have to > >> > >> > > analyze it. It may involve not selling if we can't > realistically > >> > >> > > test > >> > >> > > everything." > >> > >> > > Likewise, Shauna Sloan, founder of the Salt Lake City-based Kid > >> > >> > > to Kid > >> > >> > > Franchise, which sells used children's clothing in 75 stores > >> > >> > > across the > >> > >> > > country, told the Los Angeles Times his business could end. > >> > >> > > "We will have to lock our doors and file for bankruptcy," he > >> > >> > > said. > >> > >> > > *Small toy businesses* > >> > >> > > All children's toys and furniture also fall under strict > >> > >> > > requirements for > >> > >> > > independent lead and phthalate testing. Some small toy > businesses > >> > >> > > say lead > >> > >> > > testing alone costs more than $4,000 per item – a price some > say > >> > >> > > only large > >> > >> > > companies like Mattel and Fisher Price can afford to pay. > >> > >> > > "The only people who can do that now are the ones who actually > >> > >> > > put this > >> > >> > > scare into effect and actually caused the problem," Amy Evan's, > >> > >> > > owner of > >> > >> > > Baby's Boutique in Chico, Calif., told CBS' KHSL. > >> > >> > > *Home-based and small businesses* > >> > >> > > Shelsie Hall told KXTV she makes > >> > >> > > > >> > >> > > hair< > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85542#>bows > >> > >> > > and jewelry for children and sells them online to support her > >> > >> > > family. > >> > >> > > Now her small > >> > >> > > business< > http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=85542#>is > >> > >> > > threatened by the measure because those products must be > tested. > >> > >> > > "[M]y items sell for $4 to $10 and I make a lot of different > >> > >> > > things. So I > >> > >> > > couldn't just test one; I would have to test every item," she > >> > >> > > said. > >> > >> > > One blogger who identifies herself as "Tina" has a home-based > >> > >> > > business > >> > >> > > making and selling cloth diapers online. She said a U.S. lab > >> > >> > > quoted a price > >> > >> > > of $75 to test each component of her diapers. > >> > >> > > "I have at least two different fabrics, thread, snaps and > >> > >> > > elastic in a > >> > >> > > diaper," she wrote. "$375 to test each different combination of > >> > >> > > fabrics/snaps/thread/size combinations? That is insane." > >> > >> > > She continued, "I am but one of many micro-manufacturers who > will > >> > >> > > be forced > >> > >> > > to give up the American dream of owning my own business because > >> > >> > > of this > >> > >> > > legislation." > >> > >> > > Tina said retailers purchase inventory with loans secured by > the > >> > >> > > value of > >> > >> > > that inventory. > >> > >> > > "What happens to these lenders and retailers when the value of > >> > >> > > that > >> > >> > > inventory goes to zero?" she asked. "It is conceivable, at > least > >> > >> > > to me, that > >> > >> > > retailers will be the next group in front of Congress asking > for > >> > >> > > a bailout." > >> > > >> > >> > > The act's broad wording could extend to children's items sold > on > >> > >> > > eBay, > >> > >> > > Craig's List, Amazon. Critics also say landfills will be hit > hard > >> > >> > > if stores, > >> > >> > > distributors and families simply throw their untested items > away > >> > >> > > rather than > >> > >> > > face prosecution. And new clothing, toys, furniture and books > at > >> > > >> > ... > >> > > >> > read more »- Hide quoted text - > >> > > >> > - Show quoted text - > >> >> > > > > > > -- > Mark M. Kahle > Blessed are the bewildered for they don't know the difference.... Me > > > > -- *~@):~{> --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Thanks for being part of "PoliticalForum" at Google Groups. For options & help see http://groups.google.com/group/PoliticalForum * Visit our other community at http://www.PoliticalForum.com/ * It's active and moderated. Register and vote in our polls. * Read the latest breaking news, and more. -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
